Jakub Moc wrote:
22.11.2005, 20:57:15, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
The idea was to move out the stage1/stage2 docs to somewhere else. Then
create some sort of "Advanced Installation Topics" guide or something, to
list out the replacement procedures for customizing a system from a stage3
tarball, then, eventually, drop the stage1 and stage2 tarballs.
Erm, did you read what solar wrote about hardened stages and why should stage1
still stay?
I was working on the idea of doing it all in stages. The "problem" occurred
from people freaking out because they didn't bother reading the entire news
blurb that tells exactly where the instructions moved to, plus links to the
bug # and discussion. There's also this nice section in the Handbook.
I'd point out that this was not well executed as a major change should
have been. We talked of major package changes, apache config changes,
of package breakage. Then one day you up and remove what some consider
a vital part of installing with no warning. Announcements earlier
noting the pending removal of tarballs to say, g-announce and this list
would probably have stifled much of the complains ( see the news hit
gentoo-wiki, gentoo-portage, and the community ). Otherwise yeah, you
will get a knee-jerk reaction, many users think you just screwed them
out of something. Nevermind the fact that they are wrong and uninformed
( in most cases ) you did a crappy job of conveying the message of what
when and why.
"A stage3 tarball is an archive containing a minimal Gentoo environment,
suitable to continue the Gentoo installation using the instructions in
this manual. Previously, the Gentoo Handbook described the installation
using one of three stage tarballs. While Gentoo still offers stage1 and
stage2 tarballs, the official installation method uses the stage3
tarball. If you are interested in performing a Gentoo installation using
a stage1 or stage2 tarball, please read the Gentoo FAQ on How do I
Install Gentoo Using a Stage1 or Stage2 Tarball?"
That FAQ section has nothing in common with the original stage1 docs. Sorry,
installing stage3 to remove all the use flags cruft subsequently, bootstrap and
re-emerge the system and then ponder which packages are not needed any more
(again, there's no reliable tool to remove unneeded stuff from system, I've
already mentioned this once) - hmmm... :/
And - once stages 1+2 are removed (as you are suggesting above), then I'll
install the system only to build my own stage1 w/ catalyst, then reformat and
start over with my own stage? Ah, that makes live sooo much easier ;p
Personally if releng is already making stages 1 and 2 for the liveCD's I
see no reason not to give that work away to the community. Stick it in
some unsupported/ section on the mirrors and tell people so. Why throw
away the work you did making the liveCD? Can you quantify the number of
bugs here?
-Alec Warner (antarus)
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