On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 01:29:32PM -0700, Rob Cakebread wrote:
> I think the first sentence should say "staff" rather than "developer":
There also was a little discussion on irc about this topic a few
minutes ago. Please refer to this part of the glep:
"In this document the term developer is used for every person being an
offical member of Gentoo Linux such as people working on
documentation, people working on the infra team or the people
working on ebuilds (who could be considered real developers)."

Please s/developer/staff if you're uncomfortable with this abuse of
the term developer. The main purpose of the glep is to make the people
working on the forums offical and not to taint the term developer -
which has already happened:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/roll-call/userinfo.xml
The term developer seems to be used for people working on docs and
infra or even just recruiting people as well. I have no problem being
a developer or staff or whatever you call it, this is about being an
official member of the team. This seems however be an issue that
shouldn't be addressed in _this_ discussion. For your convenience,
we'll change the term to staff in the document.

> "Recent events such as the election of trustees or the new metastructure
> poll are effectively affecting the forums, so the wish to be part of the
> decision as an equal member is present among the moderators."
> How exactly did recent voting affect the forums and why should
> Foundation members vote to give you voting rights because of what is
> affecting the forums? (Assuming Foundation members would have to
> vote to change who can vote).

Theoretically the trustees can decide to do whatever they want with
the forums. They probably won't, but if anyone else who may be
affected by their decisions is allowed to vote, why shouldn't we?
The metastructure poll is affecting the forums in terms of us not even
knowing where we fit into the metastructure even though f.g.o is in
the offial domain gentoo.org.
Becoming developer^wstaff should give us the right to vote. Since
every other developer, infra staff, docs-writer or other person
contributing time to gentoo as part of an official project, this
should would be fair enough imho.

> Its arguable that moderators being non-staff is a good thing because its
> non-staff essentially censoring and deleting other non-staff in the
> forums, so make a good case ;)
That's why the glep was written.

> Seems like you'd fit perfectly under User Relations, wherever they fall
> under the toplevel project structure.
I don't really have a clue myself, so you name it. ;-)

cheers,
        Wernfried

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