dabbott 14/05/18 20:07:41 Added: meeting-05-18.log Log: Trustee meeting log for May 18 2014
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May 18 14:59:55 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: yes May 18 14:59:56 <dabbott> yep got it May 18 15:00:01 <quantumsummers> dabbott: thanks May 18 15:00:04 <quantumsummers> Hello Betelgeuse May 18 15:00:19 <quantumsummers> ok, so Old Business May 18 15:00:26 <quantumsummers> Me first it appears May 18 15:00:32 <quantumsummers> Let's see May 18 15:00:50 <quantumsummers> Well we are prepared for our upcoming end of the fiscal year May 18 15:00:56 <quantumsummers> our finances are strong May 18 15:00:59 <quantumsummers> we have no debts May 18 15:01:11 <quantumsummers> That is all the news I have there May 18 15:01:15 <quantumsummers> questions/ May 18 15:01:16 <quantumsummers> ? May 18 15:01:30 <quantumsummers> ok May 18 15:01:34 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: And everything with the US gov ok? May 18 15:01:36 <dabbott> did the cpa want any money May 18 15:01:37 <quantumsummers> SwifT: The trademark bit May 18 15:01:52 <SwifT> ok May 18 15:01:55 <quantumsummers> dabbott: not yet, I am certain they will invoice seprately for this year May 18 15:02:07 <SwifT> I sent out a mail to the gentoo e.v. mailinglist to suggest cooperation on the trademark license document May 18 15:02:21 <SwifT> that was about one month ago, but I didn't receive any feedback yet May 18 15:02:37 <SwifT> I know a3li is interested but he has some (free) time issues May 18 15:03:03 <quantumsummers> ok. they are usually not super quick to have internal discussions May 18 15:03:32 <SwifT> it's not extremely urgent per se, but it would be nice to have the document updated between now and the summer or so May 18 15:04:05 <SwifT> that's it from me for this topic May 18 15:04:21 <quantumsummers> related, I plan to talk to our previous trademark attorneys this coming week to discuss a retainer. It should be relatively inexpensive given that the work is minimal May 18 15:04:34 <quantumsummers> Ok, any questions for SwifT ? May 18 15:04:59 <dabbott> do you want me to keep the topic on the agenda for next month? May 18 15:05:08 <SwifT> yes please May 18 15:05:18 <quantumsummers> dabbott: thanks, good idea May 18 15:05:51 <quantumsummers> Ok, looking at our bugs, I don't see anything new there May 18 15:06:01 <dabbott> with the agenda now on the wiki you can edit the agenda when you want to, make it easy May 18 15:06:13 <quantumsummers> re: bug 500450 May 18 15:06:15 <willikins> quantumsummers: https://bugs.gentoo.org/500450 "Use of Gentoo Foundation on official paperwork for a donation of equipment for ZFS development"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; ryao:trustees May 18 15:06:25 <quantumsummers> I have not heard anything back on that since February May 18 15:06:41 <quantumsummers> I'll add a new comment May 18 15:07:49 <quantumsummers> anyone have any bugs stuff to discuss? May 18 15:07:55 <SwifT> nope May 18 15:08:02 <dabbott> none here May 18 15:08:13 <quantumsummers> Betelgeuse ? May 18 15:08:17 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: nope May 18 15:08:21 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: robbat2 did May 18 15:08:23 <Betelgeuse> for open floor May 18 15:08:29 <quantumsummers> ok. moving right along May 18 15:08:30 <robbat2> yeah, i have open floor May 18 15:08:33 <robbat2> after your new business May 18 15:08:39 <quantumsummers> robbat2: ok, we'll be there shortly May 18 15:08:55 <quantumsummers> So, we have a single membership app from a developer Mikle Kolyada (zlogene) May 18 15:09:09 <quantumsummers> all in favor of his membership application state "aye" May 18 15:09:13 <dabbott> aye May 18 15:09:16 <quantumsummers> those opposed "nay" May 18 15:09:17 <SwifT> aye May 18 15:09:27 <quantumsummers> Betelgeuse ? May 18 15:09:37 * quantumsummers says aye May 18 15:09:41 <Betelgeuse> aye May 18 15:09:44 <quantumsummers> the aye's have it May 18 15:09:47 <dabbott> I added him to the master member list May 18 15:09:55 <quantumsummers> Welcome zlogene to Foundation membership May 18 15:09:57 <quantumsummers> thanks dabbott May 18 15:10:03 <dabbott> I will send him an email May 18 15:10:10 <quantumsummers> dabbott: you are on the ball, thanks May 18 15:10:28 <quantumsummers> ok, date of next meeting 15 June 2014 19:00 UTC May 18 15:10:31 <quantumsummers> works for me May 18 15:10:38 <dabbott> fine here May 18 15:10:49 <quantumsummers> same bat time and bat channel May 18 15:10:55 <Betelgeuse> who handles the Gentoo calendar? May 18 15:11:05 <quantumsummers> Betelgeuse: do we have a calendar proper? May 18 15:11:18 <quantumsummers> in other words, I have no idea May 18 15:11:18 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: there's an entry in the Gentoo Google calendar May 18 15:11:22 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: it's for 18UTC May 18 15:11:27 <Betelgeuse> let me see if I can modify it May 18 15:11:29 <quantumsummers> that is wrong!! May 18 15:11:32 <quantumsummers> :D May 18 15:11:33 <quantumsummers> please do May 18 15:11:41 <Betelgeuse> I do not have access :( May 18 15:11:48 <quantumsummers> all meetings are always 1900 UTC since forever May 18 15:11:48 <Betelgeuse> The entry is created by [email protected] May 18 15:11:53 <quantumsummers> that is dabbott May 18 15:12:01 <dabbott> ping vapier I think its his calender May 18 15:12:03 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: the timezone is probably wrong May 18 15:12:08 <quantumsummers> yeah May 18 15:12:16 <quantumsummers> ok, that should be an easy thing to fix up May 18 15:12:23 <quantumsummers> so, lets see ... May 18 15:12:27 <robbat2> you can create events with the UTC timezone, so it shifts automatically May 18 15:12:28 <dabbott> thats me let me se if I can fixer May 18 15:12:47 <quantumsummers> Thanks dabbott Any other business? May 18 15:12:51 <Betelgeuse> dabbott: use Iceland Reykjavik May 18 15:12:58 <quantumsummers> Any other business: May 18 15:13:02 <quantumsummers> I have one item May 18 15:13:04 <robbat2> Betelgeuse, there is a real UTC timezone actually May 18 15:13:11 <Betelgeuse> robbat2: ok, good May 18 15:13:19 <quantumsummers> yes, its called "UTC" :D May 18 15:13:24 <robbat2> in gcal i mean May 18 15:13:34 <Betelgeuse> robbat2: they didn't always have it May 18 15:13:48 <quantumsummers> reason does prevail from time to time May 18 15:13:53 <robbat2> anyway, quantumsummers, your AoB May 18 15:13:54 <quantumsummers> glad they added it May 18 15:13:56 <quantumsummers> yes May 18 15:14:22 <quantumsummers> so, I am interested in doing a teespring campaign for Gentoo, specifically to put a dent in some soon-to-be-proposed infra spending May 18 15:14:34 <quantumsummers> dabbott: I am hoping I can enlist PR to assist May 18 15:14:35 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: what'a teespring? May 18 15:14:40 <quantumsummers> I see two paths May 18 15:14:49 <quantumsummers> Betelgeuse: lmgtfy May 18 15:14:57 <quantumsummers> its a t-shirt thing May 18 15:15:12 <quantumsummers> pretty good deal, I am happy with the quality of the shirts I have gotten from them May 18 15:15:33 <quantumsummers> basically, you set a minimim amount to sell, then sell as many as possible May 18 15:15:40 <quantumsummers> I think the abs min is 50 May 18 15:15:51 <quantumsummers> Django just did one and sold like 500 shirts May 18 15:16:03 <quantumsummers> I believe they netted $10 a shirt May 18 15:16:12 <quantumsummers> teespring handles all shipping and handling May 18 15:16:25 <dabbott> sounds good, we need a design May 18 15:16:28 <quantumsummers> it's pretty easy, all via a web thing May 18 15:16:35 <quantumsummers> dabbott: that is what I want to talk with PR about May 18 15:16:42 <quantumsummers> also re: two paths May 18 15:17:01 <quantumsummers> we could use an existing logo deal or something like the if it moved compile it graphic May 18 15:17:04 <quantumsummers> OR May 18 15:17:08 <quantumsummers> we could have a design contest May 18 15:17:27 <quantumsummers> Since I do not know the infra timeline at the moment, I cannot say if we have time to do the contest May 18 15:17:36 <dabbott> The last contest was a flop May 18 15:17:37 <robbat2> that's actually my AoB ;-) May 18 15:17:39 <quantumsummers> I can easily get someone to assist with a design May 18 15:17:46 <dabbott> noone was interested May 18 15:17:46 <quantumsummers> robbat2: I thought that might be the case May 18 15:17:52 <Betelgeuse> It doesn't hurt to run one. May 18 15:18:05 <quantumsummers> Betelgeuse: if it wastes time, it would hurt May 18 15:18:18 <quantumsummers> that said, it doesn't have to be anything too fancy May 18 15:18:21 <SwifT> or work with a "This is our current suggested design - if you think you can do better, show us!" May 18 15:18:26 <quantumsummers> I have a couple ideas May 18 15:18:29 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: Since time is limited you can have your contact work at th same time May 18 15:18:31 <quantumsummers> SwifT: I like that May 18 15:18:39 <quantumsummers> ok, seems reasonable May 18 15:18:49 <quantumsummers> I'll start the ball rolling tomorrow on that May 18 15:18:59 <robbat2> i don't think there will be time to run it entirely beforehand, but no reason not to run the projects concurrently May 18 15:19:05 <quantumsummers> perhaps we could leverage our newish social media power to get more involved May 18 15:19:13 <quantumsummers> robbat2: ok, sounds good. May 18 15:19:17 <SwifT> but tbh, if infra needs financial support for the services (which I'm all in favor for - I want planet.g.o back and guaranteed backups of everything ;) i'm sure we can also find direct donations for that as well (simultaneously with whatever we're launching) May 18 15:19:18 <quantumsummers> that is it for my AoB May 18 15:19:22 <quantumsummers> any other AoB? May 18 15:19:50 <quantumsummers> what happened to planet? May 18 15:20:08 <SwifT> server down according to infra-status.g.o May 18 15:20:19 <quantumsummers> SwifT: looks up to me May 18 15:20:34 <quantumsummers> anyway, lets get robbat2 in here as he has a hungry infant likely nearby May 18 15:20:37 <SwifT> ah cool... it's infra-status.g.o that's down now ;) May 18 15:20:46 <SwifT> yes May 18 15:20:49 <quantumsummers> robbat2: please, you have hte floor May 18 15:20:55 <robbat2> the sponsor of that box moved DC and lost our box for a while, due to bad tracking of ownership; then lost the box again due to paperwork falling through the cracks May 18 15:21:00 <robbat2> hi May 18 15:21:06 <robbat2> fed baby is sleeping on my chest now May 18 15:21:12 <quantumsummers> that is the best May 18 15:21:17 <dabbott> we need pictures :) May 18 15:21:20 <quantumsummers> congrats btw May 18 15:21:21 <SwifT> =) May 18 15:21:36 <quantumsummers> huge deal, that having a baby thing May 18 15:21:44 <Betelgeuse> robbat2: congrats! May 18 15:21:46 * SwifT is imagining robbat2 with his baby on his chest, with a hot laptop on that baby May 18 15:21:48 <quantumsummers> my littlest just turned 1 the other day May 18 15:21:54 <quantumsummers> heh May 18 15:22:18 <SwifT> but enough diaper-talk, let's hear it ;) May 18 15:22:20 <dabbott> He going to get pretty good typing with one hand May 18 15:22:33 <quantumsummers> as if he isn't already May 18 15:22:39 * antarus snickers softly May 18 15:22:51 <quantumsummers> I bet he types faster with his eye lashes than I do with all my fingas May 18 15:23:04 <dabbott> antarus: your next :D May 18 15:23:08 <quantumsummers> back to the matter at hand May 18 15:23:14 <quantumsummers> robbat2: please continue May 18 15:23:33 <robbat2> one of our large older sponsors, TMG/Hyves May 18 15:23:38 <robbat2> is closing up shop May 18 15:23:53 <robbat2> we have a hard deadline of the end of August to move services away May 18 15:24:25 <quantumsummers> is that doable? May 18 15:24:36 <robbat2> they presently host 6 physical servers, that host Bugzilla & Wiki, as well as the databases for those (all fully redundant) May 18 15:25:05 <quantumsummers> ouch, that is a lot to loose May 18 15:25:33 <robbat2> i think after OSL, they are the 2nd or 3rd largest sponsor we have May 18 15:25:59 <robbat2> i do want to put out a thank you announcement about them May 18 15:26:17 <quantumsummers> dabbott: PR should have some involvement, no? May 18 15:26:19 <robbat2> and therein, start a campaign to find more sponsors in the EU May 18 15:26:26 <quantumsummers> sounds good May 18 15:26:28 <quantumsummers> time line? May 18 15:26:34 <SwifT> i'm fully in favor of that May 18 15:26:45 <robbat2> i want sponsors twofold: May 18 15:27:33 <robbat2> 1. something like OSL, but in the EU; full service colo. we own the hardware, they provide bw/power/rack/hands May 18 15:27:52 <robbat2> 2. either one new large sponsor, or 3+ smaller sponsors May 18 15:28:38 <robbat2> the reason behind #1 is more complex than just bugs/wiki May 18 15:28:46 <quantumsummers> robbat2: does #1 exist? May 18 15:28:52 <robbat2> one of our oldest boxes presently is dev.g.o May 18 15:28:57 <robbat2> which is pretty critical to all devs May 18 15:29:13 <robbat2> for a long time, EU devs have also complained that it's high latency for them to reach it May 18 15:29:45 <robbat2> so I want to split out email from dev.g.o, and have dev-us.g.o and dev-eu.g.o as smaller systems for devs in each region May 18 15:29:54 <quantumsummers> sounds just fine May 18 15:30:06 <robbat2> i don't know if #1 exists yet May 18 15:30:22 <quantumsummers> I assume they would be more or less mirrors of eachother, i.e. same stuff on each in case one fails or someone is travelling May 18 15:30:24 <robbat2> nothing in a quick look, but maybe the PR boost will help find it May 18 15:30:36 <Betelgeuse> robbat2: With one operator my ipv6 traffice used to bounce over the atlantic form Finland to France May 18 15:30:37 <quantumsummers> robbat2: ok sounds good May 18 15:30:48 <robbat2> devs will have accounts on both, and we can offer unison maybe, but normally not mirrored May 18 15:30:56 <quantumsummers> robbat2: ok May 18 15:31:33 <quantumsummers> I guess the trick will be with distfiles, etc hosted in devspaces May 18 15:31:46 <robbat2> therein I want to get projects hosting off the ground May 18 15:32:11 <robbat2> but we'll deal with that when we come to it May 18 15:32:17 <quantumsummers> ok May 18 15:32:26 <robbat2> so timelines, then budget May 18 15:32:57 <robbat2> i want to get the announcement before the end of this week May 18 15:33:10 * antarus has a draft for that floating around May 18 15:33:24 <robbat2> with hope of having at least one new sponsor by end of may, and another by late june May 18 15:33:40 <dabbott> I will put it on this months GMN May 18 15:33:51 <antarus> dabbott: when is the GMN publish deadline? May 18 15:34:04 <dabbott> 25th about May 18 15:34:12 <antarus> ok May 18 15:34:17 <robbat2> and migrating bugs+wiki by end of july, to leave august for slack room May 18 15:34:21 <dabbott> before the first for sure May 18 15:34:47 <robbat2> budget: May 18 15:35:53 <robbat2> if we get an EU OSL, i think that I can get a good server (or maybe two), plus PDU, switches, cabling, shipping, for $10k USD May 18 15:36:38 <quantumsummers> robbat2: ok, I can get behind that May 18 15:36:49 <antarus> we could also conceivably...pay for hosting? May 18 15:37:28 <quantumsummers> antarus: for a colo? I currently pay ~$800 a month for a half rack in a colo and the space isn't the big part of that, it's power and be May 18 15:37:29 <robbat2> we'd be looking for probably a quarter rack (or an 1/8th to start, and space to grow), with 5A+ of power; bandwidth: 5-10mbit commit, burstable to 25-50mbit May 18 15:37:31 <quantumsummers> bw May 18 15:38:11 <Betelgeuse> doesn't hetzner already sponsor something? May 18 15:38:16 <antarus> quantumsummers: we don't need a half rack though May 18 15:38:19 <Betelgeuse> We could at least ask for discounted rates May 18 15:38:30 <antarus> Betelgeuse: leaseweb is also an existing sponsor May 18 15:38:39 <antarus> and their stuff is seemingly affordable May 18 15:38:45 <robbat2> the remote hands are actually a larger concern than the physical space/power/bw May 18 15:38:51 <robbat2> OSL's admins do a lot for us May 18 15:38:51 <antarus> depending on how much gear we have to stuff in it May 18 15:38:51 <quantumsummers> robbat2: do you have a hard deadline to identify a facility? May 18 15:39:16 <antarus> yeah, none of us can drive to amsterdam, heh. May 18 15:39:18 <Betelgeuse> antarus: I have no idea of price level but here's for hetzner http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/racks May 18 15:39:53 <dabbott> we may have to pay on of our devs to visit the servers @ times May 18 15:40:02 <Betelgeuse> Too bad asking around in Finland is somewhat useless May 18 15:40:23 <quantumsummers> robbat2: are you targetting any specific country? May 18 15:40:28 <Betelgeuse> unless we want it out of the way routing wise May 18 15:40:31 <robbat2> hetzner's racks are in Nuremberg or Falkenstein May 18 15:40:47 <robbat2> not amsterdam May 18 15:40:53 <robbat2> leaseweb is Amsterdam May 18 15:41:00 <quantumsummers> GB, FRA? May 18 15:41:18 <robbat2> mainland europe preferred, near at least two devs May 18 15:41:24 <robbat2> that we can invoke for help if needed May 18 15:41:35 <dabbott> yep May 18 15:41:48 <quantumsummers> so Germany would be the best, with the highest concentration of devs May 18 15:42:28 <Betelgeuse> quantumsummers: well according to the map many Germans are on the western border May 18 15:42:41 <robbat2> Dusseldorf or Zurich have the best concentrations May 18 15:42:59 <quantumsummers> Zurich has high quality data lines apparently May 18 15:43:10 <robbat2> prague is also promising May 18 15:43:11 * antarus blinks May 18 15:43:20 <antarus> 28.56 a kw/h May 18 15:43:22 <antarus> damn germans May 18 15:43:27 <robbat2> but it will really depend wherever we're offered May 18 15:43:29 <quantumsummers> yeah, noticed that too May 18 15:44:09 <Betelgeuse> antarus: so expensive or cheap in your opinion? Can't say because it's expensive in comparison to Finland. May 18 15:45:53 <quantumsummers> I pay $ 0.15 / kWh May 18 15:46:02 <quantumsummers> which is fairly cheap May 18 15:46:11 <quantumsummers> with 100% ToS May 18 15:46:58 <robbat2> assuming 600W, the heztner rate is EUR125/mo May 18 15:47:10 <robbat2> on top of the base rack cost May 18 15:48:22 <quantumsummers> we should be able to afford that, and perhaps Hetzner would offer some additional support May 18 15:48:39 <robbat2> after the dust on this is settled; later this year we should replace dev.g.o, and possibly the old atoms May 18 15:48:50 <robbat2> so this will be a big capex year in infra May 18 15:48:56 <robbat2> that's all for me May 18 15:48:59 <robbat2> baby is squirming again May 18 15:49:00 <quantumsummers> robbat2: thanks! May 18 15:49:05 <Betelgeuse> thanks May 18 15:49:14 <quantumsummers> ok, so that is a good bit to think about. May 18 15:49:22 <robbat2> antarus, can you shoot that draft to infra@ and i'll pass on to trustees@+pr@ May 18 15:49:34 <antarus> yeah I need to finish it first ;p May 18 15:49:41 <antarus> will get that done by CoB today May 18 15:49:43 <quantumsummers> antarus: stop slacking :P May 18 15:49:47 <antarus> I need to consume the vapors May 18 15:49:50 <quantumsummers> ok, that is just great May 18 15:49:57 <robbat2> CoB on a non-business day ;-) May 18 15:50:07 <antarus> robbat2: intentionally left vague May 18 15:50:09 <antarus> ;p May 18 15:50:14 <quantumsummers> Once we see the proposal and evaluate it, we shall hold a vote via email May 18 15:50:28 <quantumsummers> let's try to turn this around quickly May 18 15:50:30 <dabbott> sounds good May 18 15:50:39 <quantumsummers> ok, anyone else for Open Floor? May 18 15:50:49 <quantumsummers> going once May 18 15:51:01 <quantumsummers> going twice May 18 15:51:16 <quantumsummers> three times a lady May 18 15:51:30 <quantumsummers> ok. The floor is closed. May 18 15:51:42 <quantumsummers> Thanks everyone for attending this month's meeting of the board May 18 15:51:54 * quantumsummers closes the meeting with the gavel bang May 18 15:51:58 <quantumsummers> **bang**
