Dear interlist... =:^) I'm currently considering two upgrades and am looking for gentoo amd64 friendly recommendations.
1) Netbook/chromebook or possibly amd64-based tablet (presumably shipped with android, I'm not interested in anything MS-based, even if I plan to immediately wipe it and install gentoo). Requirements: Relatively cheap and small, easy to install gentoo on, amd64, not too flimsy, hopefully upgradeable SATA drive, HD-standard 1366x720 or better yet full-hd 1920x1080 strongly preferred, minimum 1024x600 (upgrading from). While I used ethernet connectivity nearly exclusively on the old netbook, I expect I'll use wifi more on the upgrade, but strongly prefer wired ethernet for home use as well. Need not be a performance powerhouse as I'll be building on my main bulldozer-1 (fx6100) based workstation and transferring it over, and 8-12 inch display is good, larger would cut down on portability too much. I currently have a generation 1.5 Acer Aspire One netbook (aoa150l, IIRC), 32-bit-only x86 (32-bit atom n270), that I've actually been quite pleased with in general including performance, portability and durability. Given that it's a single-core with hyperthreading, clocked at 1.6 GHz IIRC, and I've been happy with its performance, performance really /isn't/ a big issue. This was one of the first netbooks to actually have a standard SATA connector and thus be drive-upgradeable. My biggest issue with it has been that it's 32-bit only, and while I installed a 32-bit chroot on my main machine and do the building there, the fact that it's 32-bit only means I have to build stuff twice if I'm upgrading it, with the practical result being that gets put off and it often goes a year or more between upgrades[1], meaning they tend to be really hairy when I actually do them. A newer amd64-based system (Intel or AMD) would eliminate this issue. The second issue is its relatively small 9" 1024x600 resolution, and of course its now dated db-15 analog vga external graphics connector. While I want to keep a reasonably small footprint and am not too concerned about display size, the bezel was big enough I expect I'll get a larger display on an upgrade, even with the same overall size, so that's not a big issue. The bigger issue is that I would like at least HD-standard 1366x720 resolution. The third and now more urgent issue is that... someone recently "borrowed" it, and I don't expect to get it back... tho actually I'm not put out too much about it as I really wanted an excuse to upgrade it anyway, and this is it. =:^) Tho it's still not a /huge/ issue... I can do without just fine, it was just nice to have. Since the chromebooks are all supposed to have developer mode and support installing something else, an amd64-based (well, 64-bit atom-based, probably) chromebook would seem a reasonably cost-effective upgrade. But: I don't know the various complications of the various models, whether they all have native Linux drivers or if some are still blobs, etc, and the gentoo wiki writeup on the higher-end chromebook pixel, the only chromebook writeup I found on the gentoo wiki, made me decide I definitely needed more info (tho I'd have been unlikely to go with a high- end one like that anyway, as I don't need it), and preferably recommendations from others who are happy with their gentoo installations on amd64-based chromebooks or similar. Then of course there's the amd64-based tablets out now. I'm guessing these to be rather more problematic than chromebooks in terms of swtiching out to gentoo, blob-drivers, existing Linux app compatibility, etc. Plus, upgradable sata-standard storage, etc, less likely. A tablet would be very nice and I could use a bluetooth or USB-based external keyboard if I didn't want to deal with a touchscreen based soft-keyboard, but I'm uninterested if I can't put gentoo on it without issue or if it requires blob-drivers, and hardware upgradeability is likely to be a problem as well, so I'm still skeptical on how practical it'd be. So amd64/atom based chromebook with good gentoo install potential looks to be my best bet, ATM. Just... which one? 2) For similar amd64-build-once-use-everywhere reasons, amd64-based router upgrade. Requirements: amd64-based (or what's the point?), minimum 4-port Ethernet required, 5-6 preferred, wifi nice but optional. SATA internal near-required (could be USB I guess), sata/usb3 for external storage nice. Probably barebones or mobo+ base to build on, altho cheap used meeting other requirements is an option. Target of 5 independent Gigabit Ethernet ports. Quad-port Gigabit Ethernet PCIE expansion cards are available, so a free PCIE slot plus 1-2 ports builtin is the likely solution there. I'm figuring a cheap mobo/cpu combo, downclocked for passive or slow/silent-fan cooling, with a silent/passive power supply is an option, tho not necessarily the cheapest one especially if I can find something used. Current router is an old Linksys wrt54gl, running openwrt. It's doing fine, but needs a firmware update and both the 100 Mbit fast-ethernet WAN port and a/b/g-only wifi (which I actually have configured off in openwrt) are dated. What I really appreciate about the wrt54g with openwrt is that the ethernet ports and wifi are all separately configurable/firewallable, tho I've not made as much use of that as I'd like to, because so much of the configuration is openwrt specific and the knowledge doesn't transfer as seamlessly between it and my gentoo machines as I'd like it to, so I've not bothered to learn as much about it and customize it as much as I would have were it gentoo. The biggest issue here is again the fact that it's not amd64-based making updates inconvenient and thus less frequent than I'd prefer. OpenWRT is great firmware, but native gentoo would be /so/ much easier to work with, and native amd64 gentoo would be ideal, since packages could be easily built on my main machine and at least some of them built only once for all three machines, workstation/netbook/router. Cost-wise, the quad-port gigabit ethernet card alone starts at about (US) $80 on pricewatch.com, a wireless ac/n USB from $30 and PCIE (includes bluetooth) from $56, if I decide to add wireless, and the base computer seems to run $200-300 in various configurations, so we're looking at $300-400, tilting toward $400 unless I get a good deal. That's certainly steep compared to off-the-shelf routers, but it's amd64 and much more flexible than off-the-shelf routers. Further component upgrades should be much cheaper, as well. But I strongly suspect I can bring that down to $300-ish if I find a good $200 or under used computer as a base. The biggest problem is finding a good one that is known to have the required open PCIE slot for the quad- port gigabit Ethernet... And $300 is in the range of the top end off-the-shelf routers, which this would compare to in general, probably with slower wifi but much more flexible in general... FWIW, I've seen noises of an off-the-shelf amd64-based router in the works. Target market would be Linux/tech enthusiasts. And I see existing embedded options, but the price is sky high, in the thousands... But I don't see existing anything, for anything even /close/ to reasonable, say a nice and round $500 or under. At $500 I'd likely not actually get it, but at least it'd be in the "OK, I can at least dream about it" range. But someone else here may know about something I've missed. Asking can't hurt! =:^) --- [1] Year between upgrades: Security was specifically not a big issue as I deliberately kept in mind that I might lose it and kept the personal stuff off it. Also, a bit ironically given the netbook moniker, I didn't actually use the wifi on it much, mostly using it unconnected on the road and wired ethernet connected behind my router at home. Without security being an issue, keeping current on updates wasn't a big issue either, as long as it continued to work. -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman
