On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Frank Peters <frank.pet...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Sep 2014 13:22:28 -0500
> Canek Peláez Valdés <can...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> As a professional programmer, I completely disagree with any dogma
>> based on "philosophy" rather than technical merits.
>>
>> "So I think many of the "original ideals" of UNIX are these days more
>> of a mindset issue than necessarily reflecting reality of the
>> situation.
>>
>
> That's not the issue here at all.  The issue is the possible
> hegemony being imposed by systemd.  Whether or not this is true
> this issue at least deserves some attention.

It's free software, as long as there is developers willing to work on
alternatives, there will be alternatives.

> Regarding the "Unix philosophy," I doubt that anyone still considers
> that a "pipeline of simple tools" is the ideal approach.  Software
> has assumed gigantic proportions (to match hardware capabilities) of
> late and that traditional Unix model certainly would never fit.

Agreed.

> But not all software is gigantic.  I would venture a guess that
> a large majority of programs are simple one-off concoctions designed
> to meet some simple individual need.  In these cases it sure is nice
> to have the standard Unix tools available.  I use them frequently
> for various simple purposes.

They are free software. You can keep them forever.

> Regarding the booting and configuring of a Linux system, the job can be
> either very complex or very simple.  For the simple case, is there
> technical merit in having to use systemd?  I would claim that there
> is not.  For complex scenarios, by all means utilize systemd.
> But let's keep the appropriate tools available for the appropriate job.

Who's going to take them away? And besides, it is FREE SOFTWARE. Clone
the repositories, and keep a personal copy around forever if you like.

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Profesor de asignatura, Facultad de Ciencias
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México

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