On 5/23/07, Dion Gillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 5/23/07, Niall Pemberton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 5/23/07, Dion Gillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I think there's another issue here.
> >
> > Many of those who voted +1, aren't on the initial list of committers
> > in the proposal.
> >
> > Also, many current commons committers aren't on the proposed list.
>
> Yup thats disappointing.
Maybe not all of them follow general@ - I'm crossposting.
> > It seems that we're not voting on that specific proposal, rather just
> > the idea to move, and that a lot of people are being disenfranchised
> > by not being listed.
>
> Its down to people to add themselves to the TLP resolution (they were
> invited to do so) - if people are disenfranchised then its their own
> choice.
I don't know about that. It seems that a discussion and proposal
taking place on a different list isn't being as inclusive as we should
be.
> > Wouldn't it be better if the initial list came from the svn acl?
>
> Would seem wrong to put people on the list without their consent.
It would also seem wrong to 'remove' someone's commit access to the
code by moving it to a TLP without at least keeping the dev list
informed.
Committ access and being a PMC memeber are 2 different things - its
been mooted that we should carry over the current Jakarta commit list
for Commons (which I'm in favour of) - but that would be for the PMC
to decide if its formed. Retaining someones commit access is a passive
thing which is OK - making someone responsibe for a new TLP needs
their consent IMO.
Niall
> Niall
>
> > On 5/23/07, Niall Pemberton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On 5/8/07, Henri Yandell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Sadly a bit too late to make the next board meeting I suspect.
> > > >
> > > > However, here's a vote for Commons to officially request that it move
to TLP.
> > > >
> > > > http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/TLPResolution
> > > >
> > > > Please add your name if you're a Commons developer and haven't added
> > > > your name yet.
> > > >
> > > > [ ] +1 I support the proposal
> > > > [ ] +0 I don't care
> > > > [ ] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...
> > > >
> > > > Voting will close in one week.
> > >
> > > Quick summary of this thread 28 Votes for (23 binding), 4 against (3
> > > binding). Seems to me that those objecting don't seem to have
> > > pursuaded people to change their vote. At what point do we decide on a
> > > result?
> > >
> > > Votes +1 (* indicates binding)
> > > ========
> > > 1. Henri Yandell(*)
> > > 2. Dennis Lundberg(*)
> > > 3. Mladen Turk(*)
> > > 4. Torsten Curdt(*)
> > > 5. Oliver Heger(*)
> > > 6. Robert Burrell Donkin(*)
> > > 7. Stephen Colebourne(*)
> > > 8. Daniel F. Savarese(*)
> > > 9. Martin Cooper(*)
> > > 10. Mark Thomas(*)
> > > 11. Niall Pemberton(*)
> > > 12. Stefan Bodewig(*)
> > > 13. Phil Steitz(*)
> > > 14. Jörg Schaible(*)
> > > 15. Jean-Frederic(*)
> > > 16. Henning Schmiedehausen(*)
> > > (conditional on The TLP proposal matching the template)
> > > 17. Nick Burch
> > > 18. Davanum Srinivas(*)
> > > 19. Thomas Vandahl
> > > 20. Oliver Zeigermann(*)
> > > 21. Rony G. Flatscher(*)
> > > 22. Scott Eade(*)
> > > 23. Yegor Kozlov
> > > 24. Luc Maisonobe
> > > 25. Mario Ivankovits(*)
> > > 26. Roland Weber(*)
> > > 27. Andrew Oliver(*)
> > > (think this was a vote for, voted -1 to Commons=Jakarta)
> > > 28. Jesse Kuhnert
> > >
> > > Added themselves to the TLP Proposal but didn't vote(?)
> > > ====================================================
> > > 1. Jochen Wiedmann
> > > 2. Martin van den Bemt(*)
> > > 3. Matt Benson
> > > 4. Rory Winston(*)
> > > 5. Joerg Pietschmann
> > >
> > > Objections / Votes -1
> > > =====================
> > > 1. Petar Tahchiev
> > > - sees no direct benfits for Commons
> > > 2. Ted Husted(*)
> > > - Strike Java from resolution or don't hijack "Commons" Name
> > > 3. Simon Kitching(*)
> > > - Will erect walls we took down
> > > - like Ted doesn't want java to monopolise "commons" name
> > > 4. Danny Angus(*)
> > > - preserve the Jakarta brand
> > > - Wants Jkarata==Jakarta Commons
> > > - thinks Commons should sort out Jakarta problems
> > >
> > > Bile & Nonsense
> > > ===============
> > > Jean Carlo Salas
>
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