On 3/19/07, Jesse Kuhnert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ok so I'm a liar...I did want to point out that from my experience
even the most formal voting process won't get the desired results -
that everyone on the project certifies and checks that the binaries
going out are good. More than likely 90% of the time everyone just
votes yes or no and trusts that the person managing the release knows
what they are doing. .....but these are small points.

ah, you say the glass is 90% empty, others might say it is 10% full.
:)  at least, release-then-vote provides the opportunity for oversight
of the actual binaries to be released.

Still, they do
point to the voting process being meaningless other than all of the
PMC's putting their names on it if it should go poorly. (though in a
true team sort of mindset you'd think that this would always be the
case with / without votes / other processes...)

meaning can be quite relative.  as this process is in large part due
to legal, "CYA" necessities, "meaningless" things such as the mere
opportunity for oversight of those bits and any actual (and perhaps
even perceived) PMC oversight are important to the foundation.  our
best bet here is to automate the oversight as much as possible to ease
the burden of the process.  i will definitely be giving this ARAT tool
a look.

Automation is good. Esp. if it lets us opt to always trust committer X
managing a release once and let a diligent little script do everything
else for else without any intervention. That would be great and would
bring me back to where I already was.  ;)

On 3/19/07, Nathan Bubna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snipped>
> the actual bits that are distributed as an officially endorsed release
> do not have the luxury of diffs sent to the development lists, nor are
> they easily controlled from a central location.  the releases are
> extensively mirrored by servers all over the place.  releases are nigh
> impossible to recall.  thus, with the broader audience, the
> consequences for problems are greatly magnified and are not easily
> remedied.
<snipped>


--
Jesse Kuhnert
Tapestry/Dojo team member/developer

Open source based consulting work centered around
dojo/tapestry/tacos/hivemind. http://blog.opencomponentry.com

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