> On Aug 1, 2024, at 7:23 PM, Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> My issue is not that this is a single-vendor project or that people have been
> recognised for non-code contributions - both are fine. I would suggest that
> the project slims down the initial committer list and not split it into PPMC
> and committers. As part of the incubating process, you can vote in new
> committers and PPMC members for their contributions.
I suppose that the initial non-ppmc committers can be voted onto the ppmc. To
the IPMC I think that the growth to measure is the people beyond those on this
list. But as the saying goes its “six of one and half dozen of another”.
Best,
Dave
>
> Kind Regards,
> Justin
>
>> On 2 Aug 2024, at 3:33 am, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Thanks for your message.
>>
>> I'm a bit confused now: it seems that we have a consensus that the
>> Polaris proposal is solid and correct (according to the number of
>> positive feedback in this discussion so far).
>>
>> Justin expressed concerns, asking to update the proposal. As said, I
>> understand the comment, and would be happy to change the proposal.
>>
>> Who's having the same concern and request to change the proposal ?
>> Should we move forward to a vote with the current proposal as Dave proposed ?
>>
>> I don't want to frustrate anyone here. I have the feeling that if I
>> don't change the proposal, at least Justin would not be happy, and, on
>> the other hand, if I change the proposal, others would not be happy.
>> So, I'm open to suggestions.
>>
>> I think the Polaris proposal is solid, the contributions (code and non
>> code) are there, the community is small but eager to grow (and that's
>> the purpose of the incubator).
>>
>> Regards
>> JB
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 1, 2024 at 6:39 PM Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Justin,
>>>
>>>> In short, this seems to me (and I could be wrong) like a project mostly
>>>> from a single vendor, but the proposal has been made to make it look like
>>>> more people are involved. It may well be that these people will be
>>>> involved, but I’d prefer if the project was upfront about this and added
>>>> committers the usual way during incubation.
>>>
>>> When and where should a “single vendor” collaborate on a common code
>>> project? If we block “single vendor” projects from Incubation then it’s
>>> time to start one of our periodic the Incubator is broken discussions.
>>>
>>> The Incubator has many retired podlings that failed to form a community.
>>> That went from 3 or 4 to 1 or 0 community members. One example was
>>> ODFToolkit which came in at the same time as OpenOffice.org. ODFToolkit
>>> lingered for about 7 or 8 years. OpenOffice.org had an unusual anyone can
>>> signup to be an Initial Committer which brought the number to 73! As the
>>> current VP, OpenOffice I would not be wrong to say that the project would
>>> be in the Attic if that approach were not taken.
>>>
>>>> In short, the initial commit list looks problematic to me.
>>>
>>> Podlings and PMCs are not one size fits all.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> P.S. The repo landing page/readme has some ASF trademark issues that would
>>>> be good to address.
>>>
>>> That is part of Incubation.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Dave
>>>
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