hello, tianqi, thanks for your detailed response. I have another question: https://tvmconf.org/ who has control of this domain name? Looks like it's controlled by https://github.com/tvmconf.
Thanks, Ming Wen, Apache APISIX & Apache SkyWalking Twitter: _WenMing Tianqi Chen <tqc...@apache.org> 于2020年8月31日周一 下午1:08写道： > Thanks Justin, Henry, Dave, Ming, Matt for helpful feedbacks. > > Personally I find the current conversation a good living example of the > Apache way for consensus building :) > Thanks to the helpful feedback we have resolved several issues. > > In order to clarify the situation, please allow me to dissect and summarize > the current situation. > There are a few categories of topics (related to the Apache way) this > thread have touched so far: > > Compliance > > Compliance is what every project is required to do. These policies are set > to protect Apache’s brand, > encourage community over code and set a common foundation for the projects. > Usually a compliance is > well documented (as per-apache way, what is not documented did not happen). > The TVM PPMC has been diligently > upholding compliances, including, but not limited to > > - T0 Project website hosted at ASF https://tvm.apache.org/. > - T1 Produce apache release, no cat-X code. > - T2 No advertising non-release items as Apache release. > - T3 Protect Apache brand, working with trademark to resolve branding > concerns. > - T4 Clearly marks third party artifacts and makes sure they comply with > trademark policies. > - T5 Open development: everyone happens (also) happens on dev@ > - T6 Consider all forms of contributions for committer nomination. > - T7 Make sure release processes are clearly documented, reproducible by > any committers. > > Customary > > There are also a few topics that touch on what many Apache(incubating) > projects do, but are not (yet) strict compliance. > The TVM PPMC could improve on. Specifically, the following item: > > - K0 Usually an incubator project produces three apache releases, with > multiple release managers. > So far TVM PPMC produced two apache releases by one manager (many PPMC > members helped on the two releases). > > Community > > Finally, the “community over code” is one of the most important factors of > the Apache way. > The TVM PPMC has been working very hard to foster a healthy, diverse and > independent community, > and will continue to do so. > > - C0: Consider all forms of contributions as merit. > - C1: Encourage community diversity by only nominating people from > different organizations. > - C2: Actively discusses, and brings in new committers from diverse > backgrounds. > The community grows healthily and is quite vibrant. > > Concerns > > - X0: Right now, Justin and Ming rightfully point out that while the TVM > community has fulfilled T7, we could improve in K0. > - X1: The subdomain name (discuss.tvm.ai) is something that we would like > to work with trademarks@ to clarify. > According to the current policy, the apache trademark cannot be used > “when the content of that domain is related > to any related software products or services”. The subdomain is not > providing any software product or deriving services > related to tvm. The TVM PPMC would be more than happy to follow > trademark’s suggestion. > > Please let me know if the summary could be improved in any way, and we > would also welcome more feedback. > > Thank you! > TQ > > On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 9:08 PM Tianqi Chen <tqc...@apache.org> wrote: > > > I would like to revisit a bit about the release topic to shed light about > > the release process. > > The TVM PPMC has always been focusing on producing high quality releases. > > > > - The project has produced five major (non-apache) releases prior joining > > Apache > > - While most incubator projects start with a DISCLAIMER-WIP, the TVM > > community strives to keep the release quality high and uses the > DISCLAIMER > > in the beginning of the first release[1]. The first release contains a > > few rough edges and gets resolved very quickly thanks to the feedback > from > > Justin and other IPMC members. > > The second release is super smooth. > > - Multiple PMC members work together to generate these releases. > > > > TQ > > ---- > > - [1] > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ad19634352f97d0a5b2bec866bcdecd556ca414cc6d4487b2282ce10%40%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E > > > > On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 8:54 PM Tianqi Chen <tqc...@apache.org> wrote: > > > >> We have also talked to Apache INFRA about the use of the > >> https://ci.tvm.ai/ due to the need of special setups in terms of GPU > >> based resources etc. > >> > >> So far we have received warm help from the INFRA and they are super > >> helpful in helping setting up CI hooks so that the community can enjoy > quick > >> development with the volunteer maintained CI. Running and serving the > >> community well, we would certainly happy to use a different name if > asked by > >> the trademark. > >> > >> TQ > >> > >> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 8:49 PM Tianqi Chen <tqc...@apache.org> wrote: > >> > >>> tvmlang.org was an old url by the project that eventually got > >>> deprecated at some time point, it now redirects to the > >>> https://tvm.apache.org/ > >>> > >>> The PMC makes sure to redirect to the static Apache project when > >>> possible for official project related information. > >>> > >>> Due to the mechanism of the discourse website(need an active server), > >>> and CI (tracking is not used and is removed). It is necessary to use a > >>> standalone domain name > >>> - These domains are maintained by volunteers from TVM PMC members > >>> (tqchen, yizhi, haichen, jroesch, ziheng, lianminzheng, zhiics, masahi, > >>> thierry from different organizations) > >>> as a thirdparty service to help the community. > >>> - Given that these domains are not used to represent the official > apache > >>> project website(no confusion), and the usage voted by the community > [2], > >>> the PPMC believes it is fair to use these domains to serve the > >>> community, just like the use of thirdparty conference website for some > of > >>> the ASF projects' developer conferences. > >>> - Of course we would love to get approval/feedback from the trademark. > >>> We have started a trademark thread on the community discourse forum > domain > >>> [1], > >>> and would be more than happy to follow up the guidance of the > >>> trademark discussion. > >>> > >>> Again the hopefully outcome is not to discourage the use of these > >>> services. The PMC members strive to make sure that these thirdparty > >>> services are sustained, > >>> and remain "non-blocker" even when they go down. > >>> > >>> - Introduce multiple volunteers from different organizations in the PMC > >>> to do the work. > >>> - Make sure the messages are backed up to mail-list. > >>> - In the case of CI, have a clear workflow(JenkinsFile) and docker > >>> source so that any committer could have spin up CI when necessary. > >>> - Every development activities (also) happens on dev@ > >>> > >>> > >>> TQ > >>> > >>> --- > >>> - [1] > >>> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rd23004bf526975fceebd1b0bae7120dc1935bb61b7cdd8243fbc36dd%40%3Ctrademarks.apache.org%3E > >>> - [2] > >>> > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/c34b728f01d1030146594e47e0706cd1990ed731d06e3c179b7d501a%40%3Cdev.tvm.apache.org%3E > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 8:20 PM Justin Mclean < > jus...@classsoftware.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> Sorry my mistake, I meant to say tvm.ai not tvm.io, but as I said > >>>> subdomains on tvm.ai are not redirecting. For instance discuss.tvm.ai > >>>> stays as it is. Other sub-domains include ci.tvm.ai , tracking.tvm.ai > >>>> and docs.tvm.ai that I’ve found. There might be others, of those > four, > >>>> only docs redirects. > >>>> > >>>> I notice that forum [1] also states "Open source community on end to > >>>> end stack for deploying deep learning workloads to hardware backends > >>>> tvmlang.org.” Who controls tvmlang.org? It not clear on that page > that > >>>> this is a space for discussion about an Apache project. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> Justin > >>>> > >>>> 1. https://discuss.tvm.ai > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>>> > >>>> >
