Hello Daniel, I'd like to close the vote soon but as you voted -1 because of the lack of PNS we need your new vote.
For your information, here's the completed and accepted PNS [1]. Best regards, Serge Huber. [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-161 On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 3:12 PM Daniel Gruno <humbed...@apache.org> wrote: > > On 1/22/19 3:09 PM, Mark Thomas wrote: > > On 22/01/2019 00:37, Greg Stein wrote: > >> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 3:21 PM Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote: > >> > >>> -0 (binding) - This podling has never completed a suitable podling name > >>> search. It seems that people no longer consider that relevant as it is not > >>> in the Maturity model and I’m not sure why. It could be because that is > >>> ComDev and not the IPMC. > >>> > >> > >> The "Maturity Model" (MM) is just a thing developed by ComDev peeps. It has > >> no bearing within the Foundation, other than as a lens for individuals to > >> view projects. That lens is not part of the Incubator, or any other PMC. > >> > >> Personally, I do not view the "podling name search" (PNS) as a gate. That > >> is another imposition, from outside the Incubator, that has crept into the > >> "Must Be Performed(tm)" guidelines for graduation. The Board is the > >> ultimate arbiter of whether a podling can graduate, and a name search is > >> informative for them, rather than gating for us [on the IPMC]. If a podling > >> wants to be called "Apache Acme", and "gee, there are a lot of Acme > >> products out there", then that is on the community. Not something for the > >> Incubator to demand they change; just something for them to deal with. A > >> community problem, rather than one for the Incubator or the Foundation > >> itself. > > > > I disagree on that point - as VP Brand I would, wouldn't I ;) > > > > If there is an issue with the name (that the PNS would have uncovered) > > then the likely solution is that the (now graduated) project will have > > to rename. That has a cost for both the community and the foundation. > > > > While in some cases there are clearly no conflicts, in others it is not > > quite so clear cut. The aim of the PNS is to enable both the podling and > > the foundation (delegated to the Branding Committee) to decide if the > > choice of name is acceptable given the degree of risk associated with > > any potential conflict and the associated costs of a rename should that > > risk materialise. > > > > (There is an assumption here that early renames result in lower costs > > for both the community and the foundation). > > > > As VP Brand I am likely recommend against a podling graduating without a > > PNS on the basis that it represents an unknown level of risk. The board > > may approve the resolution anyway but I suspect it would be tabled > > (delayed) until the following meeting to allow a PNS or something along > > those lines to take place. > > > > As an aside, the policy docs still say a PNS is required to graduate. If > > this view has changed (I'm not sure it has - I don't recall a > > discussion) then those docs need updating. > > I haven't heard of any policy change either, and with that in mind, I am > -1 (binding) on graduation till a PNS has been resolved. As Mark stated, > there are costs involved with name changes, on multiple fronts, and > making sure that we don't clash is quite important. > > With that said, there is plenty of time till the next board meeting, a > PNS _could_ be done in time for that, and I'd remove my -1. :) > > > > > Mark > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
