> On Apr 16, 2018, at 1:52 PM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> > wrote: > >> >> >>> On Apr 16, 2018, at 10:46 AM, Maxime Beauchemin < >> maximebeauche...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> About PMs, or other "non-coding contributors", it's pretty common to have >>> them at sponsoring organizations. For example both Airbnb and Lyft both >>> have a dedicated PM for Apache Superset. While they don't write code, >> they >>> contribute to the project and many other ways (prioritization / planning >> / >>> road-mapping, shaping product design, communication, training, >>> documentation, bug reports, issue triaging, organizing events, ...). It >>> sounds like the solution is to make them committers to provide them with >>> the level of control they need on Github. >> >> I have a problem with the way this is phrased. Companies do not do the >> prioritization, planning, road-mapping, shaping product-design, etc of ASF >> projects. The committers and PMC members do that. > > > > The phrasing is problematic, clearly. > > But managers at companies *do* have an outsized influence because they can > divert a substantial amount of people-power to particular issues. As such, > the priority setting, road mapping and triaging that they are doing is done > to keep the corporation's efforts coherent. Keeping these efforts coherent > is actually a community service, as I see it. Doing these efforts off-list > is a disservice, however, and is a common anti-pattern in communities. > > Overall, I think that it is great if somebody takes a strong and public > position to help organize efforts of the community and I think that efforts > like that should be recognized. At the same time, I am strenuously of the > opinion that doing the same thing off-list is something that should not be > recognized. > > The difference is probably not clear to most corporate overlords.
Here is the main documentation. [0] Here is a short discussion. [1] Here is a very long one [2] Please have a look. (Wondering lately if we need a page for Corporations about how to Incubate a Project.) Regards, Dave [0] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management <https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#management> [1] https://community.apache.org/committers/decisionMaking.html <https://community.apache.org/committers/decisionMaking.html> [2] https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/success-at-apache-asynchronous-decision <https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/success-at-apache-asynchronous-decision>
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