Shane, Since products != projects, what is the process for getting a product name onto that list[1]?
Avatica is a product and not a project; we conducted podling name search a few months ago[2]; the Calcite PMC has made several releases of "Apache Calcite Avatica" and plans at some point to start calling the releases "Apache Avatica". Julian [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/list/ [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-121 On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 5:06 AM, Shane Curcuru <a...@shanecurcuru.org> wrote: > John D. Ament wrote on 8/10/17 7:50 AM: >> Just curious, but how do we know which marks the ASF actually owns? Rat >> isn't a TLP so I'm a bit surprised we own "Apache Rat", or is it simply >> implicit? > > We claim that all Apache software *product* names are ASF trademarks: > > https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/list/ > > In the US, once you are publicly offering a product using a consistent > name/logo, you can claim it as your trademark, no paperwork needed. The > most important things are to have a consistent name, and to put the ™ > symbol up or otherwise let the world know you claim it as a trademark. > > Most projects are common law trademarks, which you can just claim as > your marks by doing so. Some projects have registered (or applied-for) > trademarks, which give us far more rights but takes months of waiting > for the application process (and requires the PMC to ask). > > As for "owns", that's a question that needs more clarification. We > claim project names as our trademarks - so we own them. But common law > trademarks have limited rights of control. Trademarks only apply in > similar classes or kinds of goods, so saying "Apache Rat™" doesn't mean > that we could prevent everyone from having a software product called Rat > - only that they can't have a Rat software that would *be likely to > confuse users as to the source of the product*. > > Does that make sense? > > - Shane > >> >> John >> >> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:46 AM Shane Curcuru <a...@shanecurcuru.org> wrote: >> >>> (note mixed private/public lists) >>> >>> General questions, since... we haven't actually had any discussion yet. >>> >>> - Is there a particular hurry to bring this to pTLP faster than the >>> traditional general@incubator discussion period is? >>> >>> - Has the Apache Creadur project been consulted about the new project >>> proposal, and in particular do they have any comments on using DRAT as >>> the name, which subsumes their popular Rat name? >>> >>> - It's awesome to see ™ included in a proposal (most people forget), but >>> they're mixed up. Apache should be ® (when needed; when talking about >>> individual project names it's usually not needed) and most project names >>> should be ™. So it would be either Apache® Rat™ or Apache Rat™. >>> >>> Thanks for filling out the rest of the proposal. >>> >>> - Shane >>> >>> Chris Mattmann wrote on 8/10/17 1:59 AM: >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> >>>> Just as an FYI I've added a resolution to establish DRAT to the agenda. >>>> >>>> On item - 2 of the proposed PMC includes members without an Apache >>> account. What to do in this situation? If they start only as committers, >>> that's fine, but then we would create an account for them after the fact. >>> Is this the desire? If so I will update the resolution and we can VOTE them >>> in as PMC after the project is establish should the Board agree to do so. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2017-08-02 10:35, Chris Mattmann <mattm...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>> Hi Board-Chat@, >>>>> >>>>> CC/Incubator@ >>>>> >>>>> We are proposing to bring DRAT (Distributed Release Audit Tool) to the >>> ASF. >>>>> DRAT is a parallelized version of Apache RAT that uses OODT, Solr and >>> Tika to >>>>> compute, visualize and interact with interesting statistics on code >>> auditing as >>>>> output by RAT and Tika. With DRAT you can: >>>>> >>>>> • Audit large code repositories (has been tested in 100s of M of >>> lines of >>>>> code, and 1000s of projects) where RAT fails to complete – an >>> example of running it across all of Apache >>>>> SVN is here: http://drat.dyndns.org:8080/dratviz/ You can also see its >>> output >>>>> for a very large set of NSF funded geosciences code repositories here: >>>>> http://drat.dyndns.org:8080/dratontoviz/ >>>>> • Visualize and interact with the output from RAT and Tika in a >>> dynamic fashion >>>>> • Get incremental status from code auditing >>>>> • Audit individual code repos and integrate the results into your >>> project >>>>> >>>>> DRAT was funded by DARPA, NASA, the NSF and other government entities. >>>>> >>>>> We have prepared a preliminary proposal here: >>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DRATProposal >>>>> >>>>> We are working on flushing it out more, should be done by this weekend. >>> We propose >>>>> DRAT to be a straight to TLP (pTLP). I will add a resolution into the >>> Board agenda for August 2017 >>>>> for its consideration. I am CC’ing the Incubator so that we can >>> potentially attract new contributors >>>>> both seasoned and junior to the project. We also welcome any >>> contributors from Creadur interested >>>>> in learning more about OODT, Solr, Tika, etc. Also any Wicket gurus – >>> we are using Wicket for one of >>>>> DRAT’s key user interfaces, Proteus. >>>>> >>>>> OK, thanks! >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> - Shane >>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources >>> >> > > > -- > > - Shane > https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
