Billie, Thanks for the response, it helps give some more context. I also like Josh's email. It probably better describes my point of view. I also selfishly don't want the incubator to be stuck with many podlings that we already know what's going to happen with.
On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 11:50 AM Billie Rinaldi <bil...@apache.org> wrote: > On 2017-05-25 03:49, John D. Ament <john.d.am...@gmail.com> wrote: > > It seems like there's a lot of confusion about who's doing what in > Slider. > > I'm really hoping the following comments can be addressed, since it looks > > like they've been lost in the shuffle (the last is a new one from me): > > > > - What does it mean for Slider to be a module of Hadoop? Are there any > > public discussions about how this has happened or will happen? > > There was a cross-posted discussion on Slider and YARN dev lists [1] and an > earlier discussion on the Slider dev list [2]. There was also an > announcement in our August 2016 board report [3], as well as updates > provided in our subsequent board reports. > > Ok, thanks. As a note, it seems like these should have been flagged but weren't. We need to do a bit better to do deep analysis of the reports coming in. > > - If you are in fact becoming a module of Hadoop, is there a time frame > for > > that? Slider has been in the incubator for 3 years now. It seems like > > Slider is semi-active, but not frequent to release. > > Based on our earlier discussions, we would like Slider users to have a > viable alternative before the existing Slider codebase is retired. The work > is ongoing in the yarn-native-services feature branch of Hadoop to convert > slider-core to a submodule of Hadoop and implement the main functions of > the slider-agent in the YARN NodeManager or in slider-core. I do not have a > time estimate for when we might be ready to call a vote to merge the > feature branch into hadoop trunk. I can point out that a lot of subtasks of > YARN-5079 have been completed, and I hope this work will not take too many > more months. > > This I think is where Josh's sentiments come in. I think at this point, the most complete solution is to have Slider transition into Hadoop, however the Hadoop PMC chooses to manage the project. I believe some of you are already on the PMC so it may be OK. I want to make something very clear. I am not saying we don't want Slider in the incubator. I am saying that I think Slider would grow more if it were outside the incubator and perhaps within a project focused on delivering these solutions. You would gain the benefit of single vote on releases, since its clear you know how to do this. John > > - Vinod as a mentor seems a bit confusing. He's listed already as per > > Taylor, so will he by being added to podlings.xml be signing off on > > reports? Are there any discussions you can cite where mentors are saying > > they are not available and have you asked them to step down? > > Vinod was not actually a mentor for Slider. He was the champion of the > incubator proposal for Slider, so I think he inadvertently got listed as a > mentor on some of the Slider pages, but (correctly) he was not in the > podlings.xml file. > > When we email mentors directly asking them to sign off on a report, > sometimes we get no response (as evidenced in the occasional lack of sign > offs on Slider reports). No one has said they are not available. If we need > to ask some of the existing mentors to step down to be able to add new > mentors, we could do that. > > [1]: https://s.apache.org/TBfV > [2]: https://s.apache.org/fCVa > [3]: https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/August2016 >
