> Am 10.03.2016 um 18:23 schrieb Suresh Marru <sma...@apache.org>: > > Hi All, > > Since there will be significant Incubator PPMC mentors, I will start a > broader discussion on this topic. Please be cautious, I am cc’ing a private > list and a public list, please only contain this thread to the topic and do > not discuss any student proposals or other sensitive GSOC discussions on this > thread. > > There seems to be a confusion on who should send ACK for mentors from > Incubator projects. Refer to GSOC guides on com-dev site [1] for additional > information. > > I think its time for us to refresh our memories on why PMC acknowledging is > needed in the first place. Here is my take: > > * The PMC ACK serves as the filter to make sure mentors are part of the > proposed project. The key here is for a mentor to be able to commit the > student contributions, but also is knowledgable enough on the proposed > project. An ACK from a fellow PMC member confirms the same. > > * The PMC ACK also serves as a mechanism for the PMC as whole to be aware of > the project being proposed. This is very important. If the mentor gets busy > with life, the student should not be left under water, others on the projects > should be able to pick up the slack. > > A question often comes up: can a non-PMC and a non-Committer be a mentor? The > reasoning often give is: they have been contributing to the project from a > while and know enough to mentor a GSOC project but is officially not a > committer. This question should be re-directed to the PMC, if someone is > actively contributing to the project and can guide a GSOC project, they > probably should have earned commit access by now or even better, be part of > the PMC, time to fix that first. > > Secondly, lot of mentors self-acknowledge their request, they can rightfully > do so since they are part go the PMC. This is not bad since the PMC list is > cc’ed and lazy consensus can be assumed. But its not onerous to expect a > three letter reply from others on the PMC which will ensure the community has > interests in the project and not just a single mentor. > > Its important to understand that GSOC is about teaching students to > contribute to open source and community is a big part of it. A single point > of contact (mentor) ensures they will be guided, but it is not a > mentor-student training excise. A good mentor should teach the students to > work with the community and not just themselves. > > With this long background, my personal opinion for Incubator projects is to > expect PPMC to acknowledge the mentor. If we go by the rule book, Incubator > PMC should ACK the request, but in many cases the IPMC may not be able to > step up and help the student with technical details but others on the PPMC > will have a much better success at it. > > Finally, these are my opinions to make us think on the goals of a process > which should take precedence over rule book. But Uli Stark as the ASF GSOC > org admin reserves the final call on what he will require to validate > mentors. > > Suresh > [1] - http://community.apache.org/ > >
Thanks Suresh, Excellent summary nothing more to add from my side. And to answer that specific question, unless somebody convinces me otherwise I'm totally fine with PPMC acks. Cheers, Uli
