On 2015-08-03 21:13, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
Yup. I believe this to be an unfortunate (at least from my standpoint) but and extremely fair observation. As far as I'm concerned the issue of R&Rs of IPMC is in a state of a stalemate right now. We clearly have a "everything's fine lets just add more policy" constituency vs. "IPMC should be small and more board like" crowd.
I don't think anyone is suggesting we add more policy - at least, I haven't heard anyone say that. I'd rather say we're caught between "the policy is fine, but we may need to streamline the process" and "the policy is hindering development and needs to be trimmed".
I count myself among the 'followers' of the first statement. I think the policy itself is sound, but the process of incubation leaves something to be desired. In my view, if a release, graduation, vote etc is being held up by the IPMC, that is not the fault of the policy, it is the fault of tacit knowledge not being shared and used among mentors and podlings in an efficient manner. If a release is being held up due to missing/incorrect licenses or notices, that is an issue we should solve through better education and tooling in the Incubator. If a podling wants to graduate, but legitimate concerns (however true or unfounded they may be) are raised, that is an issue we should solve - or at least make speedier - through better education and tooling/processes.
I see a lot of places where we can definitely improve on processes, make them faster and easier, but what I do not see is how the policies are to blame. The very fact that these policies cause discussions and delays are, in my view, not a nuisance that needs to be abolished, but proof that we have procedural and educational flaws. Again, I would be very interested in working with people on improving these processes and tools.
I would also ask the people who think we need to trim down our policies to be more specific about which policies need to be removed or changed, and how it would help the Incubator while still retaining the core mission of it; To educate and grow communities wishing to follow the Apache Way.
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