On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 05:13PM, P. Taylor Goetz wrote: > It seems to me the spirit of the diversity statement is about project > survival: > > > A healthy project should survive the departure of any single contributor > > or employer of contributors. > > So I would think satisfying that requirement wouldn’t necessarily involve a > percentage, but rather a simple number: At least 3 PMC members who are not > affiliated with the employer of the majority.
I think it sounds reasonable! And looks like it's all right here: there's more than 3 PMC members not affiliated with the majority's employer. Cos > That way if the employer of the majority departed, there would be enough > remaining members for form consensus. > > -Taylor > > > > On Jul 21, 2015, at 4:55 PM, jan i <j...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > On 21 July 2015 at 22:48, Daniel Gruno <humbed...@apache.org> wrote: > > > >> > >> On 07/21/2015 10:39 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > >>> Present time diversity or lack of same is not a bar to graduation. > >> > >> So we should just scrap the bit in the Incubator policy that says "A > >> major criterion for graduation is to have developed an open and diverse > >> meritocratic community."? > >> > >> I think not. > >> > > > > If diversity does not matter, then please explain these references: > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html > > > > Diversity of committership is important for two main reasons: > > > > - > > > > it gives long term stability to the project development: in fact, with > > all the developers affiliated to the same entity, the chance of seeing all > > of them moving away from the project at the same time is much greater than > > with a community of individuals affiliated to unrelated entities. > > - > > > > it gives a greater variety of technical visions: something that > > guarantees a better adherence to environment and user's needs, thus a > > higher change of finding real-life use of the software. > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/reporting > > > > - > > > > PMC and committer diversity > > > > A healthy project should survive the departure of any single contributor > > or employer of contributors. Healthy projects also serve needs of many > > parties. Thus the ASF prefers that projects have diverse PMCs and > > committerships. *IF* the PMC has any concerns or perceives a problem > > with the diversity, then the report should include information on the > > number of unique organizations currently represented in its PMC and > > committership. > > > > If diversity did not matter for TLPs, the above explanation and guidelines > > are false > > > > > > I think not. > > > > > > rgds > > > > jan I. > > > > > >> > >> > >>> > >>> What is important is that the committers and PMC of the new project > >>> understand how to make releases and are building community. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Thanks, Konstantin, for the enlighting quote. And the link leading to > >>>> nowhere. > >>>> > >>>> If we take away the names of the mentors from the list (Branko, Roman > >> and > >>>> yours) as well as those in other projects (Evans) from the list of > >> intended > >>>> project members, the situation even grows worse. Then the number grows > >> to > >>>> 77%. That doesn't look promising regarding independence, and neither > >>>> regarding healthiness. > >>>> > >>>> Best regards, > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Pierre Smits > >>>> > >>>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > >>>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- > >>>> Based Manufacturing, Professional > >>>> Services and Retail & Trade > >>>> http://www.orrtiz.com > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <c...@apache.org> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> The so-called diversity requirement has been discussed on this list > >> for a > >>>>> number of times. Most recent is the graduation of Flume project (back > >> in > >>>>> 2012). Here's a quote from that thread (kudos to Roy; for those who > >> want > >>>>> to look it up in the archives MessageId is > >>>>> 73db2e64-87d5-4dd5-91fb-403464895...@gbiv.com): > >>>>> > >>>>> [quote] > >>>>> There is no diversity requirement at the ASF. There is a behavior > >>>>> requirement for graduation and a behavior requirement for TLPs. > >>>>> We must not confuse the two. If the Incubator says that there is a > >>>>> diversity requirement for graduation, ignore it (or at least figure > >>>>> out what the docs were supposed to say and then do that). > >>>>> I'd urge folks to fix the docs, but I know where that leads ... > >>>>> and I have no cycles to spare. > >>>>> > >>>>> A diversity requirement would mean that a person's employment > >>>>> status impacts their ability to participate here. IOW, it would > >>>>> create a perverse incentive for them not to be employed. > >>>>> [/quote] > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards, > >>>>> Cos > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 05:55PM, Pierre Smits wrote: > >>>>>> It seems that 63% of the podling's PMC is affiliated to 1 organisation > >>>>>> (Gridgrain). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Have sufficient grounds been covered to ensure diversity and > >>>> independece? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Best regards, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Pierre Smits > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan < > >>>>> dsetrak...@apache.org> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:08 AM, amareshwarisr . < > >>>>> amareshw...@gmail.com> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Seems the DESCRIPTION_AND_SCOPE of the project is set to " the > >>>>> automated > >>>>>>>> and managed flow of information between systems." > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I dont see any such on project website - > >>>>>>>> http://ignite.incubator.apache.org/ > >>>>>>>> Looks like a copy from NIFI's graduation discussion - > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201506.mbox/%3CCALJK9a4PD%2B3qGGQbbHHyLfY8Ut9BP9VyEDwtnZDSWjpMKiwk9w%40mail.gmail.com%3E > >>>>>>>> . > >>>>>>>> You might want to correct it. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Yup, copy-n-paste never works :) Corrected below. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Correct me if description is fine and I'm wrong in understanding > >>>> the > >>>>>>>> description > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>>>> Amareshwari > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:06 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan < > >>>>>>> dsetrak...@apache.org> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hello Apache Incubator, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> At the suggestion of our mentors the Ignite community established > >>>>>>>> consensus > >>>>>>>>> and held a successful vote with 14 +1 votes in favor of proposing > >>>>>>>>> graduation to TLP. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Vote thread: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/VOTE-Graduate-Apache-Ignite-from-Incubation-td1539.html > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Summary of the vote results: > >>>>>>>>> +1 (non-binding) = 14 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> 1. Yakov Zhdanov (PMC) > >>>>>>>>> 2. Gianfranco Murador (PMC) > >>>>>>>>> 3. Ira Vasilinets (PMC) > >>>>>>>>> 4. Nikolai Tichinov (PMC) > >>>>>>>>> 5. Semyon Boikov (PMC) > >>>>>>>>> 6. Sergi Vladykin (PMC) > >>>>>>>>> 7. Alexey Goncharuk (PMC) > >>>>>>>>> 8. Ognen Duzlevski (PMC) > >>>>>>>>> 9. Valentin Kulichenko (PMC) > >>>>>>>>> 10. Nikita Ivanov (PMC) > >>>>>>>>> 11. Dmitriy Setrakyan (PMC) > >>>>>>>>> 12. Andrey Novikov (Committer) > >>>>>>>>> 13. Alexey Kuznetsov (Committer) > >>>>>>>>> 14. Milap Wadwa > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> We’d like to initiate this discussion/proposal to establish a > >>>>> consensus > >>>>>>>>> within the incubator and if appropriate will initiate a vote. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Below is our proposed resolution: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thank you > >>>>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan(on behalf of the Apache Ignite PPMC) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> SUBJECT: Establish the Apache Ignite TLP > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best > >>>>>>>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the > >>>>>>>>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management > >>>>>>>>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of > >>>>>>>>> open-source software, for distribution at no charge to > >>>>>>>>> the public, related to the automated and managed flow of > >>>>>>>>> information between systems. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Should be: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> --------- > >>>>>>> "related to delivering an In-Memory Data Fabric - a high-performance, > >>>>>>> integrated and distributed in-memory platform for computing and > >>>>> transacting > >>>>>>> on large-scale data sets in real-time" > >>>>>>> -------- > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management > >>>>>>>>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Ignite Project", > >>>>>>>>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the > >>>>>>>>> Foundation; and be it further > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and hereby is > >>>>>>>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software > >>>>>>>>> related to the automated and managed flow of information > >>>>>>>>> between systems and be it further > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Ignite" > >>>> be > >>>>>>>>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to > >>>>>>>>> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair > >>>>>>>>> of the Apache Ignite Project, and to have primary > >>>>> responsibility > >>>>>>>>> for management of the projects within the scope of > >>>>>>>>> responsibility of the Apache Ignite Project; and be it > >>>> further > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and > >>>>>>>>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the > >>>>>>>>> Apache Ignite Project: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Semyon Boikov (sboi...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Konstantin Boudnik (c...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Branko Čibej (br...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Ognen Duzlevski (mak...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Sergey Evdokimov (sevdoki...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Alexey Goncharuk (agoncha...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Nikita Ivanov (nivano...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Sergey Khisamov (s...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Valentin Kulichenko (vkuliche...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Alexey Kuznetsov (akuznet...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Gianfranco Murador (mura...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Andrey Novikov (anovi...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Vladimir Ozerov (voze...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan (dsetrak...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Roman Shaposhnik (r...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Ilya Sterin (iste...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Nikolai Tikhonov (ntikho...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Irina Vasilinets (ivasilin...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Anton Vinogradov (a...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Sergey Vladykin (svlady...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Evans Ye (evan...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> Yakov Zhdanov (yzhda...@apache.org) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that > >>>>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan be appointed to the office of Vice > >>>> President, > >>>>>>>>> Apache Ignite, to serve in accordance with and subject to the > >>>>>>>>> direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the > >>>>>>>>> Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or > >>>>>>>>> disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; > >>>>>>>>> and be it further > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Ignite PMC be and hereby is > >>>>>>>>> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to > >>>>>>>>> encourage open development and increased participation in the > >>>>>>>>> Apache Ignite Project; and be it further > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Ignite Project be and hereby > >>>>>>>>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the > >>>> Apache > >>>>>>>>> Incubator Ignite podling; and be it further > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache > >>>>>>>>> Incubator Ignite podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator > >>>>>>>>> Project are hereafter discharged. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
