On Jan 25, 2015, at 1:22 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz > <bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> ...They are reporting to the Board. We know what inactivity looks like. So >>> we >>> ask the PMC to fix it, or we shut them down.... >> >> I know how that works, it's just that with your pTLP proposal the >> podling is "at the mercy" of their mentors - if the Incubator PMC >> disappears it might be hard for them to recruit initial or new >> mentors. Not a blocker for me, just an observation. > > I want to be clear about the hypothetical here. I think it is, "The > board establishes a PMC containing some people whom it knows and > trusts, and there is a larger community of some other people whom it > would like to get to know and trust. (Or, even, the board included > some of the second group in the PMC at the outset.) Before the second > group merges with the first group, the first group loses motivation > and disappears." > > It seems to me that this is not likely. To me, at least, signing up to > be a PMC member is a much clearer commitment than signing up as a > mentor, and, while I might be distracted for a month here and there, > I'm not going to just wander away. I think I'd be pretty much typical > (in this one tiny respect) of anyone that the board for a new PMC. To > get into the pickle Bertrand is musing about, more than one of the > group has to wander off, so that the remainder are not available to > help recruit some successors from the general membership.
+1. I think that in this pTLP proposal there are no IPMC Mentors. These are not needed. Why? The Apache Members are coming in as the PMC. This is a much more serious commitment than being a Mentor. The pTLP is not an IPMC entity. Incubator life cycle for a pTLP. - Proposal to be a pTLP. - IPMC recommendation to the Board as a possible fit to be a pTLP. Board life cycle for a pTLP. - Board accepts - they can accept no matter what the IPMC opines. - Board manages it like a TLP. Appoints Board Shepherd, etc. Not the IPMC's responsibility any longer. - Board decides when the probationary period is over and the little "p" is removed. Regards, Dave > > >> >> -Bertrand >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
