Thanks for the clarification Dennis. I'll toss this on a list of things to circle back to at some point. If someone wants to split of a separate thread about it right now, be my guest.
On 26 June 2013 20:22, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamil...@acm.org> wrote: > I don't think I've seen the template before, or it was too long ago and I > failed to notice at the time. > > Noah has explained my concern and added discussion on remedies. (I won't > be creating a JIRA issue and it appears that others have a better sense of > what would express what is appropriate. I just saw what was clear to me > was inappropriate.) > > With respect to that checklist, my only lingering concern is that it is > difficult to know what was actually done, following the instructions as > given, especially with regard to the headers of files, given how the item > is worded. > > I would definitely change the heading from "Copyright" to "Licensing" too. > > - Dennis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Newson [mailto:rnew...@apache.org] > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 09:36 AM > To: general@incubator.apache.org; dennis.hamil...@acm.org > Cc: Noah Slater > Subject: Re: [IP CLEARANCE] BigCouch > > Dennis, > > I'm following the instructions I'm given, I don't know if this is the > place to comment on the process the incubator project has been > following up to this point. Have I followed it incorrectly? I don't > know you personally, are you pointing out problems with *this* ip > clearance thread in particular or are you commenting on the template > itself? Had you seen the template before today? > > B. > > > On 26 June 2013 17:27, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamil...@acm.org> wrote: > > Under the heading "Copyright" there is an item with text "Check and make > sure that the papers that transfer rights to the ASF [have] been received. > It is only necessary to transfer rights for the package, the core code, > and any new code produced by the project." > > > > In the next box it says > > > > "Check and make sure that the files have been donated have been updated > to reflect the *new* ASF copyright. ... " [emphasis mine]. > > > > It is my understanding that an SGA is not a transfer of rights but a > grant of license. This language is all wrong, wherever it comes from. It > suggests what appears to be a copyright transfer when everything we are > told around here is that the ASF neither requires nor does such things. > Furthermore, adding ASF copyright notices in the headers for individual > files that are otherwise unchanged is very naughty. (Unless, of course, > there has indeed been a copyright transfer, and I'm not all that sure about > even that case.) > > > > - Dennis > > > > PS: And, of course, the license grant is about more than the exclusive > rights of copyright holders, too. In any case, the non-exclusive licenses > granted in SGAs and CLAs are not transfers. (Since "standing" is much in > the news today, another way to put it is that the ASF has no power to sue > for infringement of copyright in the contributed works, nor any patent > infringement related to the use of the contributed works.) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Noah Slater [mailto:nsla...@apache.org] > > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 08:14 AM > > To: general@incubator.apache.org; dennis.hamil...@acm.org > > Subject: Re: [IP CLEARANCE] BigCouch > > > > Dennis, can you clarify your concerns please? > > > > The page you are looking at is generated from a template. Bob has simply > > filled in the dates as he stepped through the process. > > > > Which specific guidelines do you not believe have been followed? > > > > Why do you believe that an SGA has not been filed? > > > > > > On 26 June 2013 16:05, Dennis E. Hamilton <dennis.hamil...@acm.org> > wrote: > > > >> That page talks about transfer of copyright and addition of Apache > >> copyright notices on the code as imported. Huh? > >> > >> Why aren't the guidelines for transfer of cleaned-up contributions under > >> SGAs being followed, and an SGA being filed that details the > contribution? > >> > >> - Dennis > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Noah Slater [mailto:nsla...@apache.org] > >> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 06:03 AM > >> To: general@incubator.apache.org > >> Subject: Re: [IP CLEARANCE] BigCouch > >> > >> Woop! Thanks Bob! +1 > >> > >> > >> On 26 June 2013 13:55, Robert Newson <rnew...@apache.org> wrote: > >> > >> > Cloudant has donated the source code artifact detailed at [1] to the > ASF. > >> > This email is to request lazy consensus from the IPMC for the IP > >> > clearance of this donation. > >> > > >> > B > >> > > >> > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/couchdb-bigcouch.html > >> > > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> -- > >> NS > >> > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > NS > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > -- NS
