FWIW I support the proposal, just pointing out why this idea hasn't gained traction over the years.
Sent from my iPhone On Jun 15, 2013, at 2:48 PM, "Mattmann, Chris A (398J)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > +1, the chair is already the Ombudsman. Or should be at least. > No need for duplication and more overhead (and confusion). > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Chris Mattmann, Ph.D. > Senior Computer Scientist > NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA > Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246 > Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov > WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/ > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department > University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> > Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> > Date: Saturday, June 15, 2013 10:52 AM > To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org> > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman > >> This is a suggestion that has come up in the past, and the typical >> counter-argument is that this is something the chair needs to provide >> themselves. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 15, 2013, at 1:18 PM, Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Sent from a mobile device, please excuse mistakes and brevity >>> On 15 Jun 2013 16:53, "Alan Cabrera" <a...@toolazydogs.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Problem: podlings are confused on where to go when there's a problem. >>>> >>>> Cause: we seem to collect/handle/organize problems in an ad hoc manner >>> and sometimes mentors are the problem. >>>> >>>> Solution: we create an elected Incubator Ombudsman. >>> >>> From now on I'm only going to look at solutions in the context of the >>> issues on the wiki page. If a proposal doesn't apply to one or more >>> issues >>> I'm not interested. >>> >>> In this case... >>> >>> The only problem that would need an ombudsmen is ISSUE 01 (inactive >>> mentors). Mentors should always know where to go to solve a problem (we >>> have specialist committees for pretty much every issue that will >>> arise). If >>> mentors are inactive then ISSUE 01 is in play. >>> >>> The current place to go is the IPMC. At this point ISSUE 03 may well >>> come >>> into play. >>> >>> The idea of an Ombudsman overlaps with my earlier proposal for a >>> psuedo-board in the IPMC. Its also similar to both suggested solutions >>> for >>> ISSUE 03 in the wiki. >>> >>> For these reasons I suggest the Ombudsmen proposal has merit. >>> >>> I also suggest that this ombudsmen could be the organisation responsible >>> for acting if a podling (or a pTLP, if the experiment shows merit in >>> this >>> model) is failing. >>> >>> As always the details needs to be ironed out but since the proposal >>> directly addresses ISSUE 03 I would like to see it explored. I >>> especially >>> like that it complements my pTLP experiment which is designed to address >>> ISSUE 01 (but clearly your proposal is worth exploring even without that >>> potential advantage). >>> >>> Ross >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
