Hi Nour,

Thank you for the support, that's great. We'd be delighted to have you on the committers team, I'm sure there's a place for you. As you can see from the diagram on http://www.nakedobjects.org/plugins, the NO architecture is quite pluggable; so if you have a particular pet technology that you're interested in integrating, then it's relatively straightforward to do so without having to understand the rest of the stack.

Just looked at your linkedin profile ... for example, building on your OpenEJB experience, one thing might be to provide a new remoting protocol, surfacing the NO metamodel via session beans.

In the meantime, please do join the nakedobjects contributors list (mailto:nakedobjects-contribut...@lists.sourceforge.net), and we look forward to having you onboard.

Cheers
Dan

On the UI side, we have a number of viewers (both webapp and rich client), for the persistence layer there's a number of

On 21/07/2010 12:46, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote:
The idea sounds fantastic

+1 (Not binding) on the pre-proposal. And if you allow me to join the
committers team, it would be an honor of mine.

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 2:06 PM, James Carman
<ja...@carmanconsulting.com>  wrote:
More precisely, that'd be James Carman (Commons).  I'm not on the Wicket team.

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:56 AM, Dan Haywood<dkhayw...@gmail.com>  wrote:
We're considering proposing a group of related open source projects to the
Apache Incubator.  At an unconference a few weekends ago I met and sounded
out Bertrand Delacrataz and Lars Eilebrecht, who suggested a brief posting
here would be a good first step.

So: the Apache Isis (?) project will provide the ability to rapidly develop
domain-driven applications.  Built on the Naked Objects framework
(http://nakedobjects.org) and a number of related sister projects
(http://starobjects.org), it allows full stack apps to be built just by
writing pojo domain objects.  Technically, it's somewhat akin to an ORM, but
rather than just automatically persisting your objects, it automatically
provides all the other necessary layers.  This means that the development
goes very very quickly, focusing on the bit that really matters; the
business application.

One particularly important aspect is the ability to customise the generated
UIs.  The framework supports pluggable viewers running either as webapps and
RIA, and uses existing libraries such as Apache Wicket to support
customisation. The framework as a whole is customisable and provides a
plugin architecture to allow the other components to be pluggable.

For some time Naked Objects, the framework, has elicited interest from
"early adopters", but our community remains small.  We're hoping that Apache
will provide a platform by which we can grow our community into the "early
majority".  We can demonstrate the commitment to do this (two books have
been written on Naked Objects).  Until recently there were just two main
committers, both freelancer developers based in the UK.  Since then we have
picked up three new committers (in Sweden, USA and South Africa), two
directly attributable to the publication of the second of these books in Dec
2009.

 From our understanding of the Apache process, our proposal will need some
mentors and a sponsor.  Vincent Massol (Maven) has already offered, as has
James Carman (Wicket).  We're hoping that this post might interest a few
more, in which case we'll post a formal project proposal.

Thanks for reading this, looking forward to your replies.

Dan Haywood
Robert Matthews



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