On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Niclas Hedhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Not accept podlings to release code. Possibly having the "final > act" of the podling to do a release, which effectuates the graduation. > > I am Ok with either of these, since I think that downstream users > ain't stupid and more capable than I think we give them credit for. > Not being able to release code from the incubator will have one or more of three effects: 1) podlings will find building a community massively more difficult. 2) podlings will push releases through non-ASF routes, bypassing the IPMC entirely. Some projects are already doing this due to not being able to push to central. 3) potential podlings will ignore the incubator and the ASF entirely. The first will prolong a podlings stay in the incubator due to diversity issues. The second will stop podlings getting experience with things like LICENSE, NOTICE etc, which are surprisingly difficult to get right. The third is just undesireable. As for making the incubator a less comfortable place for podlings, waiting weeks to get a new committer approved and almost a month for a release to be approved are pretty uncomfortable experiences for a project. They are also things which actively hinder a project graduating. The focus seems to be on finding bigger, stickier sticks. Perhaps a more effective approach would be, as suggested elsewhere, to require a podling to report on it's progress towards graduation in the board reports. If unsatisfactory progress is being made, then the mentors should get involved. If that isn't sufficent, perhaps podlings should not use the Apache brand in supporting materials? Changing code layout, distribution channels etc is a substantial amount of work, but having to refer to it as Frobnicator instead of Apache Frobnicator gives some incentive to podlings without imposing an additional burden on them. - Aidan -- Apache Qpid - World Domination through Advanced Message Queueing http://cwiki.apache.org/qpid "Nine-tenths of wisdom consists in being wise in time." - Theodore Roosevelt
