On Nov 26, 2007 7:28 PM, Upayavira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sat, 2007-11-24 at 11:43 -0800, Craig L Russell wrote: > > Hi Robert, > > > > On Nov 20, 2007, at 6:08 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > > > > > On Nov 19, 2007 11:23 PM, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > >> Hi Robert, > > >> > > >> On Nov 19, 2007, at 3:14 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote: > > >> > > >>> On Nov 18, 2007 11:44 PM, Craig L Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >>> wrote: > > >>>> Just one question. Why are you not a mentor for this project? I > > >>>> don't > > >>>> see anything in the rules against it, and I believe it will be > > >>>> easier > > >>>> all around if you can also wear the mentor hat. > > >>> > > >>> it would probably be easier but i thought that independent mentors > > >>> would be healthier and the experience might be educational > > >> > > >> I'd say we were conflating the two roles played by mentors: > > >> > > >> Mentoring the podling > > >> > > >> Providing infrastructure support for the podling > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > infrastructure approval should probably rest with the IPMC in general > > > rather than the mentors specifically > > > 'Infrastructure approval' is a rather strange idea. If you mean when > will infra be prepared to act upon a request will be looking at board > resolutions and incubator PMC votes. If the vote has occurred to create > a podling, then _anyone_ with sufficient karma can get on and create > stuff. I'm sure no-one would complain (unless it is done badly). Who > should be pushing for getting the infra set up? Well, that can be anyone > who is interested in seeing it done. However, mentors are more likely to > know who/where to ask, what to ask and how to ask, and asking in the > right way definitely helps streamline the work. > > > IIUC, Mentors are tasked with setting up infrastructure because any > > one person would have so much work to do that no one would ever > > volunteer to do it. So we have volunteer Mentors who have karma and > > are willing to step up. > > Well, I think it is more that we have mentors, and we have infra > volunteers, and some infra volunteers happen to be mentors, which is > more or less co-incidence. > > > Specific things that Mentors do for podlings in this regard are > > asking via JIRA for infra to do things that only infrastructure folks > > can do; establishing the svn repo; adding podling committers to > > authorization files; moderating email; and setting up the web site. > > Yeah. Mentors likely do that because they know what to ask. Other than > that, anyone can do it. > > > I think that Someone needs to be responsible for these things, and I > > don't see that "the IPMC in general" or the IPMC chair specifically > > needs to have anything to do with them. > > If the podling is interested in getting its infra setup, which I would > assume it is, then I wouldn't worry about who is responsible. I'd just > say, "if in doubt, ask your mentor(s)"
yes ATM the IPMC mandates that the Mentors set up the infrastructure. the IPMC has already approved the action so i'm not sure that this is necessary. - robert --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
