On Nov 23, 2007, at 3:10 AM, ant elder wrote:

Ask people to self nominate - I imagine often inactive commiters won't put themselves forward, removing any issue. Then maybe a review of the list by the the mentors and proposed PMC Chair. If there are issues it
can be discussed in the community and if theres disagreement then
vote. I imagine most of the time it won't come to voting.

Niall


That sounds reasonable but is it ok to do that? Its quite hard to remove a committer from a real Apache project, are incubating committers different
and its ok to just ask who wants to be included at graduation?

Just a data point, in Yoko here is consensus on the community that there is not enough interest to support Yoko as a TLP and that it is better placed as a sub-project as the code is used by other Apache projects. During the discussion it was asked who was interested in continuing on with the code base. Only a subset of the current committer base that is "on record" in SVN indicated that they were interested in continuing so there is at least one project that fits this model.

I also think, as others have suggested, that this is not an exact science which is why we have mentors to provide the subjective input. I think we all trust the mentor's input on how a project is conducting itself. The Tuscany example of late is a good example where Paul Fremantle indicated he thought the project was doing well and was ready for graduation. Rather than simply relying on a set of external statistics (which can be useful at times) I very much trust those that have stepped up to mentor a project and give their opinion sufficient weight to help formulate a recommendation.

My $.02

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