Re: Process for becoming a mentor

[Erik Abele]

On 22.03.2006, at 18:01, Jason van Zyl wrote:

Hi,



1) Active interest in the project being mentored

Just poking around the incubator site and I see a responsibilities page for Mentors which is good but I don't see any criteria for being a mentor. But I think starting with three simple ones would be a start:

This makes obviously sense but...

2) Commitment to future involvement

3) Discussion with the project to see if there is a good fit and get the buy in of the folks on the project

...these two don't - furthermore I don't see any value in more and more policies and criteria in this case.

With those ideas in mind there are three projects would like to mentor: OpenEJB, ODE, and ActiveMQ.

OpenEJB:

3) I've talked to David Blevins and he interested

ODE:


ActiveMQ:

3) I've talked to James and Hiram and they are interested

1) I don't use J2EE but I have helped with the conversion of OpenEJB to Maven2 and it's an interesting build problem given how it works with Geronimo. 2) I will help with the Maven2 build in the future and might actually use OpenEJB v3 when it's decoupled from Geronimo :-) 1) I've started trying to integrate ODE into some applications I'm developing 2) I would like to throw away all the workflow engines I've half started and use ODE for many of the Maven-centric applications which require management of development processes 3) I've talked briefly with James but would like some agreement from the other ODE folks whom I've never met 1) ActiveMQ has been integrated into a distributed version of Continuum (thanks to the GBuild project in Geronimo) 2) ActiveMQ will continue to be used in Continuum and I am actively trying to move the GBuild code into Continuum proper now so there will be a long term relationship there

Hmmm, although I think we should basically welcome any new mentors with open arms, the above description sounds more like a committer than a mentor. Are you really sure that you understand the tasks and responsibilities of a mentor? http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/ Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Mentor

At any rate I would like to be a mentor for these projects so what do I do from here? I think it's important that mentor's justify their position and I think have done so above and so does the Incubator PMC approve a mentor for a project?

Cheers,
Erik

Usually the sponsor or the podling by himself ask for any additional mentors (either in the proposal or later on); this then has to be ratified by the Incubator PMC (partly because the mentor will also become an Incubator PMC member). An ASF member can also volunteer to be a mentor but IMHO we have to be very careful here that this doesn't get used as a short-track to committership - IMO a mentor shouldn't ever touch any podling code while wearing his mentor hat; this is totally different from being a committer. In the end it's solely the podlings decision so the Incubator PMC shouldn't impose any new committers...

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