I think ServiceMix is the perfect home for a BPEL engine. Every JBI
implementation that I am aware of has and integrated orchestration
engine exposed via the BPEL specification. I am not worried about
"barriers" to any committers, "accidental too-tight binding" or
"UNrelated" mail on mailing lists. All of these issues are worked
out every day on mailing lists at Apache. I am much more worried
about this donation falling into Apache politics that result in a
sausage project that no one wants to eat.
Sybase wants to donate to the service-mix community and the
ServiceMix community wants to work with the code. Any contributor
will be welcomed by the ServiceMix community (as required by the
apache way), and *if* a large community develops that wants to split
off later they can (as is allowed by the apache process). Right now,
I don't see this large community; all I do see is a few very grumpy
individuals. If the webservice project really really want to control
this code, they can always fork it (as is allowed by the apache
process).
So: My recommendation is that the donation be accepted directly into
ServiceMix and we all move on to more important issues.
-dain
On Feb 13, 2006, at 12:21 PM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
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After re-reading all the discussion threads and getting
some technology education from people kind enough not to
bash me on the bonce, my strong recommendation is that
the Sybase contribution be made as a new podling proposal
to the incubator.
That's after also considering the following:
1. The full expanded name of BPEL is 'Business Process
Execution Language for Web Services;'
2. We have a TLP devoted to Web Services; and
3. A BPEL engine would be a component useful to
a broader range of projects that just Geronimo.
It just doesn't make sense to me to embed this into
ServiceMix, which is intended to be embedded into the
Geronimo project.
The issues about who wants to work on it and their
current distribution through ASF projects (namely,
the claim that most of them are already working on
the ServiceMix package) I don't see as being particularly
relevant. Having the BPEL effort outside of ServiceMix
is a better solution, IMHO, because
1. There's no barrier to ServiceMix people working on
it;
2. There's less chance of accidental too-tight binding
to the ServiceMix/Geronimo packages;
3. People working on it will see just messages relating
to it, and not a bunch of UNrelated mail as well.
That last one is pretty important, I think. I suspect
that people from outside ServiceMix would be a bit
daunted or put off at having to deal with the flux of
ServiceMix-specific mail in order to see the BPEL-related
messages which might be their sole interest.
So: My recommendation is that a new proposal be drafted,
and Sybase's BPEL contribution be subnmitted to the
incubator as a new standalone podling.
- --
#ken P-)}
Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Ken.Coar.Org/
Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
"Millennium hand and shrimp!"
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