On Dec 21, 2005, at 12:56 AM, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:
On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 22:10 -0800, Cliff Schmidt wrote:
However, after having been on the other side of this discussion during
the Synapse startup with the hullabaloo caused by ObjectWeb folks, I
have no patience for any kind of "this space is mine, you keep to
yours"
type nonsense. I totally agree that the only discussion here should be
does ASF want to take this on or not, not on whether Eclipse folks
feel
it "rightfully" belongs there or not. (No Mike, I'm not saying you
said
that!)
I strongly believe that the ASF is not an island in the
world of open source, and that it is good for us and all participants
in open source if we do what we can to minimize communication
problems
about projects that others may have an interest in.
Indeed. However, the corporate interest of a foundation has much
lesser
weight in my book than what other ASFers think in evaluating this
stuff.
I don't think it's that simple. There's also the corporate interest
of IBM and Zimbra in bringing this to Apache. Generally speaking, I
consider any open source foundation to be more my ally than any
corporation or group of corporations. I've been doing a lot more in
the broader open source community recently, and discovered that
Apache is not universally well-regarded. I have heard it suggested
that we are becoming the Microsoft of open source. If part of the
core Apache values are around community, why shouldn't that extend to
the broader open source community as well?
I'd love to have a good AJAX project here at Apache, but I'm not at
all convinced that this is the best way to get it. I also talked to
Alex Russell at Dojo about coming to the ASF (at this year's OSCON),
and the overhead thing was already on his radar. Perhaps we ought
to be more concerned about making ourselves attractive to projects
like Dojo. We already know that the corporations see the value of
the Apache brand. Ask yourself why a small innovative project like
Dojo would rather stay out of the ASF. Wouldn't they benefit more
from the Apache name than IBM and Zimbra? An Apache branded AJAX
toolkit would be seriously looked at just because of the branding.
I would hate to be a party to helping a so-so AJAX toolkit displace a
really good one, just because the so-so one came to the incubator and
the other one didn't.
I haven't looked at the code in question and I'm not a Javascript
expert by any means. But if Martin's analysis of the codebase is
correct, then I'd vote no.
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