On Friday, March 26, 2004, at 11:46 AM, Patrick Calahan wrote:
At 01:41 AM 3/26/2004 -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:Patrick,
Hi Noel. Thanks for the response.
I'm replying to you on [EMAIL PROTECTED] The projects@ list is
a catchall for projects that don't have their own list, but the place where
you want to discuss a proposal is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ok, thanks for the clarification.
You basic "service provider" approach of using an implementation-agnostic
user side, and implementations for various meta-data implementations looks
like a good way to address the problem.
Have you approached any of the projects, such as Geronimo? If it were
Not yet, but that seems like a good idea - will do.
I think adding JAM to Geronimo might create problems since geronimo uses xmlbeans rather heavily in its build process. I don't see an obvious way to sidestep the circular dependency.
accepted into the Incubator, where would you expect the code to go
I'm not certain, but in some ways JAM like a very good fit with Jakarta. I'm hoping you all can help me figure out the most appropriate trajectory for it, though.
eventually? And how big would you say your contributor community is today?
As I say, JAM has been spun out of my contributions to Xml-beans, and it really doesn't yet have it's own contributor community. Since it is in the Xml-beans repository, in a sense all current Xml-beans committers are part of its contributor community.
I took a quick peek at your website on jam, and it looks very very interesting. I wonder if the xdoclet2 folks are aware of it...
I would think that the best place for it now would be with the xmlbeans project, but:
-moved to org.apache.jam package
-compiled into a separate jar, then used by xmlbeans.
Maven makes this kind of "multiproject projects" rather easy to set up, but mavenizing the rest of the xmlbeans build could be a challenge.
Not that I am any kind of expert, but I would wait to try to make a separate project until it has more explicit contributors.
thanks david jencks
Thanks again,
-Patrick
--- Noel
-----Original Message----- From: Patrick Calahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 15:27 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: moving JAM to org.apache.jam
Hello. I'm a committer on the xml-beans project. As part of my work
there, I've written an API called 'JAM' (Java API for Metadata) that is
becoming a useful technology in its own right. JAM is distinct from
xml-beans - it is used by xbean's java-to-schema compilers, but JAM does
not use xbeans at all.
I built JAM to solve a particular set of problems that I have relating to
metadata and JSR175, and I believe that many other java developers are
going to need a solution to those same problems very soon. I already have
some consumers of the API who don't care about xbeans - they only want the
services that JAM provides.
Accordingly, I am trying to give it some more visibility. One thing I would like to do is give it a better package name; it currently is
org.apache.xmlbean.impl.jam
Ideally, I would like it to be
org.apache.jam
but I'm not sure what Apache's policies are on using top-level package
names - I figured I'd better talk to someone about it first. I bounced the
idea off of the xmlbeans-dev list last week, and everyone there seems ok
with it (email appended).
Ultimately, I really think JAM should be a separate project. I'd love for
it to be an Apache project if possible, though I'm not sure what I should
do to start that process.
If you want to read more about JAM, I've temporarily posted the docs and
some white papers here:
http://www.pcal.net/jam
Thanks, -p
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:22:08 -0800
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>Hey all. I am exploring the possibility of moving JAM into it's own
>package space, e.g. 'org.apache.jam.' I'd like to bring it up out of the
>bowels of the xbeans impl because it is proving to be a useful technology
>to other projects. For example, Cedric Beust already has two open source
>projects which he has converted to JAM, including the widely-used EJBgen:
>
> http://www.beust.com/ejbgen
> http://www.beust.com/sgen
>
>It's a little awkward to ask people to keep importing
>'org.apache.xmlbean.impl.jam' for something that (from their perspective)
>doesn't have anything to do with xbeans.
>
>I'm assuming that the powers-that-be at Apache can't have people just
>claiming package names at will, so I am going to bring this up with the
>incubator group (or whomever is appropriate). Before I do, though, I just
>wanted to ping everyone here to make sure they think this seems ok.
>
>Thanks,
>-p
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