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> On 2 May 2018, at 07:43, Henk P. Penning <penn...@uu.nl> wrote: > >> On Tue, 1 May 2018, Jan Iversen wrote: >> >> Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 22:46:41 +0200 >> From: Jan Iversen <j...@apache.org> >> To: general@attic.apache.org >> Subject: Discussion to select chair candidates followed by a vote starting >> may >> 13 2018. > > Hi Jan, > > I thought the plan was to reach consensus, and otherwise vote. yes it was, but I still have the (to me) ugly -1 discussion on your rewrite rules in mind. Having said that, I am seriously tired of trying to get us to discuss before implementing and accept this is not a matter of making the technical most elegant solution but making something the chair (historically) or somebody else can and will maintain. > > Let me try to reach consensus this way : > > Hi Sebb, > > Can we agree to just let Jan pick a winner ? > and for us to forever hold our peace (regarding the choice)? I am sorry but I believe it would not be the apache way for me to pick a winner (even though it is tempting, I think it is known that I am afraid of the template language in the jekyll-site) My hope was to get you two to agree on perfecting 1 solution addressing each others concerns. > > This is a bike-shed problem ; > any simple solution is ok. > > [ Forgive my ignorance if this is against etiquette. > How does a PMC resolve bike-shed problems ? > ] just like you just did, talking to each other. This is actually a point where the apache way have caused projects to splinter, due to people being stubborn instead of flexible. rgds jan i > > Regards, > > Henk Penning > > ------------------------------------------------------------ _ > Henk P. Penning, ICT-beta R Uithof MG-403 _/ \_ > Faculty of Science, Utrecht University T +31 30 253 4106 / \_/ \ > Leuvenlaan 4, 3584CE Utrecht, NL F +31 30 253 4553 \_/ \_/ > http://www.staff.science.uu.nl/~penni101/ M penn...@uu.nl \_/ > >> Hi >> >> I am truly sorry having to write this email. I am embarrassed of not being >> able to keep my promise and stay as a long-term chair, but sometimes you >> have to ask yourself is it worth the time spent and instead use time where >> it is makes a difference. >> >> Considering we have a very silent community and the current site maintenance >> was unacceptable to me, I spent a couple of days to make my life easier and >> asked for opinions from the community before changing the production site, >> after that our list drowned in emails from 2 pmc members pursuing other >> solutions. >> >> This is not the first time we have a situation like this, a while ago we had >> long discussion with -1 flowing around, between the same 2 PMC members about >> rewriting rules etc, where finally (I believe partly due to my intervention) >> consensus was reached. >> >> I volunteered to be chair and was clear it meant I had not only to file >> board reports but also do the bulk part of retiring projects. I did not >> volunteer to spend endless hours trying to get consensus or to get simple >> changes agreed on. >> >> I proposed a very simple solution, but have accepted that the other 2 >> solutions each have advantages, so I might have continued had I believed in >> the possibility of consensus and an, for me, easy to maintain solution. >> There are no signs of convergence and a vote on technical solutions are bad, >> apart from the fact that I am convinced both solutions would receive a -1. >> Changes are high, that the current deadlock will end with no change at all. >> >> I humbly accept my failure to help bring consensus and progress to the >> attic, so I hereby announce my retirement as chair/pmc/committer. >> >> I am hereby starting a discussion on who should be the next chair. The >> discussion will run until 13 may 2018, where I will start the formal vote. >> The result of the vote will be added to the agenda for the board June >> meeting. In case we have no positive result of the vote, the board will be >> asked to appoint a new chair. >> >> The 2 PMC members have each promised to support a future site, so it is >> natural for me to propose Henkp and Sebb as chair candidates, both have >> used significant time to implement technical elegant solutions. >> >> Ball is rolling, let the community decide. >> >> rgds >> Jan I >> >> Sent from my iPad
