On Mar 29, 2011, at 2:41 AM, Chris Richter wrote: > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Kevin Layman > Sent: Tuesday, 29 March 2011 9:39 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [gears-users] Any plans on updating? > > Yes, IMHO it was a TERRIBLE decision. As was the recent one to go with > IndexedDB instead of the far superior Gears-like Web SQL Database. > > IndexedDB will likely take years to to match the performance of SQL+Sqlite, > if ever, not to mention having to write dozens of lines of code to replace > one SQL statement in the case of joins for instance. It appears to me to be > targeted at lightweight use for SQL-less developers used to cookie-like > put/get storage. It's a real stinker for complex database operations. > > This decision alone will set back browser-based development by years in > regards to deploying really high-performance database-centric desktop-like > apps. > > I almost never comment publicly but I felt so strongly about this issue I > recently posted something criticizing the IndexedDB decision on the Mozilla > forum discussing the matter and explaining exactly why I felt that > technically it was such a poor decision. > > They deleted it and banned me from posting. While I should have been less > harsh (I think I called the decision makers "Overeducated morons") clearly > they are reacting poorly to the overwhelmingly negative comments. > > In fact it took me about 2 minutes to find a blog by the Mozilla moderator, > Paul Rouget, who banned and insulted me, where he calls a website he used a > "nightmare" and criticizes the designers. More than just a little of a double > standard at work over there at Mozilla it seems, at least by some people. > > Unless I'm missing something they are replacing the working and extremely > capable Web SQL Database with the new IndexedDB because it is more > "aesthetic" to the web developers they discussed it with. "Aesthetic" > apparently meaning to them you have to write many lines of object-like > javascript to accomplish the same thing as one line of SQL currently. > > Even using their own examples they posted it clearly shows IndexDB takes > considerably more code than Web SQL to accomplish the same thing, and it will > get MUCH MUCH worse for complex database operations. > > In so doing they are not only throwing away a working, more capable > implementation, but discarding the benefits of the years of work on the SQL > query optimization rountines in Sqlite, because they are inserting their new > "Aesthetic" IndexedDB layer in between where NO ONE will be able to write > optimized complex queries. > > Perhaps I am missing something about their design and it is in fact superior > to what we have now. I'm looking forward to someone explaining to me why it > is better and not just a political decision essentially forced by Microsoft, > who no doubt hates Web SQL and would love to see browser-based development of > desktop-like apps set back a few years, if not forever, which is what I > predict IndexedDB will do. > > What Google is thinking here is beyond me. > > Hopefully someone will come to their senses at some point and at least offer > SQL pass through capabilities as they are all still using Sqlite on the > backend, but who knows? > > > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 7:19 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > That's the point. Gears is no longer supported by google. They are phasing > it out for html5 so soon when the new standard is made public then gears will > die. > > I don't think they should have done that as gears only really lived for a few > years. Just long enough for devs to build applications using the api then > once everyone was invested they cancelled it. > > So don't hold your breath for gears support in whatever app you mentioned. > Sorry. Hope it helps. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: kmmontandon <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 23:03:28 > To: Gears Users<[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: [gears-users] Any plans on updating? > > Is Google Gears going to ever be updated, or is it pretty much dead? > > I'm asking because I'd like to be able to search my old Myspace > messages (yes, I know), and it's impossible, because Gears can no > longer search the Myspace PM database, since last fall. Seems like > this project is entirely defunct. > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1498/3536 - Release Date: 03/28/11 > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1498/3536 - Release Date: 03/28/11 >
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