Hi Carlos, On Wed, Oct 12, 2022 at 12:43:09PM -0400, Carlos O'Donell wrote: > The GNU Toolchain project leadership [...]
I must say I don't understand why you are communicating in this way. Sending out "proclamations" about having support from "leadership", "committees" and "key stakeholders". Some of these key people seem to not even agree with it or know what it is really about and they cannot or don't want to answer questions about the details. In the last year we did some really nice work for the sourceware infrastructure. We setup the shared buildbot, got various companies and organisations to provide compute resources, workers for various architectures. We now have CI, Try and Full builders for various projects and doing 10.000+ builds a month. With a bunsen analysis database with all those test-results. Did a resource analysis and wrote up this public roadmap to make the email/git based workflow that sourceware projects rely on more fun, secure and productive by automating contribution tracking and testing. We now also have the sourcehut mirror and the public-inbox instance to make the email workflow nicer and support things like patch attestation. We are working on better integration between patchwork and buildbot for pre- commit checking. And we got the Software Freedom Conservancy to accept sourceware as a member project to act as a fiscal sponsor. They are now helping us with the future roadmap, setting up a organization, budgeting, etc. And the FSF also is supportive of this. All this was done in public, we even setup some public video chats about how we wanted to do this in the future. And you were explicitly invited to participate because we wanted to make sure it fit with any other plans people might be having. At the Cauldron, when we wanted to discuss with the community how to use and set project policies around the sourceware infrastructure services, one of the "leaders" ran around the room shouting down and pushing people who wanted to discuss this. Telling people they didn't got to decide what we would talk about. And finally yelling at me that I lost all trust of the "gnu toolchain leadership". All just for wanting to have a public discussion on some cool stuff we did and were planning to do together. That isn't "leadership". That is just intimidation and bullying. It made me really sad. And now you again seem to not want to discuss any details on how to work together. After Cauldron I thought we agreed we would discuss goals on overseers and create sourceware infrastructure bugs. So we could see what the community priorities were, write an updated sourceware roadmap, setup a budget, etc. I was really happy to see the discussions about setting up a video chat system for projects, the FSF tech-team offering to setup mirrors, backups and help coordinate secure release uploads. And I had hoped to see some discussion on how the LF and potential sponsors could help, working together with the sourceware community and the SFC. We really would love for gdb, glibc, binutils and gcc to keep being part of sourceware. Cheers, Mark
