On Tue, 2014-01-21 at 15:19 -0500, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Therefore, I point out that FSF can no longer prevent proprietary > vendors from plugging into a free compiler to improve their tools. [snip] > I also think it bears noticing that nobody outside of Microsoft seems > to particularly want to write proprietary compilers any more.
The FSF sure can prevent it, and proprietary compilers still thrive. Here is one that particularly bugs me as an Octave developer: we routinely see people being lured to use Nvidia's non-free nvcc for GPU computing, which they gleefully admit is based on clang and LLVM. And there is Xcode, of course, completely non-free and completely based on clang and LLVM. The fact that these non-free tools are not based on gcc are a testament to how proprietary software developers cannot plug into gcc, and how clang is fostering non-free software. The nvidia situation is particularly dire becuase today, free GPU computing is almost nonexistent. It's almost all based on CUDA and nvidia's massive pro-CUDA marketing campaign. Even most OpenCL implementations are non-free, and the scant few free implementations of OpenCL that exist are not fully functional. We also have technical reasons in Octave to not use LLVM, even though we are using it right now: its API is hugely unstable. Each new LLVM release has needed its own new, complicated autoconf checks. We have been chatting with Red Hat's David Malcolm who works on libgccjit to help us get something better and more stable. This thus proves that it is not impossible to use gcc for the same tasks as LLVM, and its pluggability is growing. - Jordi G. H.
