> On Nov 16, 2013, at 11:22 PM, Jeff Law <l...@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 11/16/13 21:58, Alec Teal wrote:
>> Now while great, is this true!? Nvidia (IIRC, this was like a year ago
>> though) don't even give out the instruction set for their GPUs, can we
>> have GCC targeting closed things? Also there (must be and is) a Cuda
>> runtime, wouldn't we need an open runtime to link against?
> The various projects looking at supporting OpenACC are, to the best of my 
> knowledge, targeting PTX, which is a virtual ISA from NVidia which is 
> published.
> 
> Going from PTX to the actual instructions for the particular GPU is the job 
> of a runtime system which would be provided by NVidia.
> 

If one wants to tilt at these windmills, we should belabor the lack of open 
documentation of the microcode corresponding to the x86 instruction set.

Jeff

> However, there's no reason why OpenACC couldn't target the host CPU or 
> another GPU.  In fact, that's what I'd initially do if I were working on this.
> 
>> 
>> This is by no means an accusation, I'm sure he's doing fine work; but
>> he's doing something I didn't think the GPLv3 allowed (so I want to be
>> corrected) he seems to have added something that requires a closed
>> runtime for a target with a closed instruction set - probably for Nvidia
>> (as he is responsible for "strategic partnerships" with them)
> To answer that question you'd need to talk to your lawyer.
> 
> jeff

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