On Mon, 13 Oct 2025 at 20:53, Joseph Myers <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Oct 2025, Jonathan Wakely wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 10 Oct 2025 at 21:11, Joseph Myers wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 10 Oct 2025, Matthew Malcomson wrote:
> > >
> > > > Questions for others:
> > > > 1) We'd like to double-check that this sounds like a problem before
> > > trying to
> > > > change it.
> > > > 2) Does this trigger thoughts of anything else to look out for?
> > > > 3) Would the best solution be to add some `--as-needed` push/pop
> state
> > > > arguments into the link line?
> > >
> > > Yes, I'd expect libstdc++ to be linked (DT_NEEDED) with libatomic only
> if
> > > it actually has undefined references that libatomic resolves.
> > >
> > >
> > We try quite hard to avoid libstdc++ having any undefined references to
> > libatomic functions. The atomics inside the library are defined in terms
> of
> > the config/cpu/**/atomicity.h functions, which only operate on int and
> > which are defined using inline assembly (and spinlocks when needed).
> That's
> > partly because those functions predate libatomic, but partly because it
> > makes libstdc++ self-sufficient.
> >
> > So until now, users only needed to link to libatomic if their own code
> used
> > atomics on types that require libatomic calls, but libstdc++.so doesn't
> do
> > that.
>
> My build-many-glibcs.py bot is showing a testsuite build failure for
> sparcv9-linux-gnu, where static libstdc++ has an undefined reference to
> __atomic_fetch_add_4, resulting in failure to link
> nptl/tst-cancel24-static.  Either it's a bug that these undefined
> references have appeared, or else the glibc build system needs to know
> about linking such static tests with -latomic as well as -lstdc++ (glibc
> tests necessarily use -nostdlib, so GCC knowing about linking with
> -latomic as needed by default doesn't help them).  (The shared libstdc++
> for the same target has DT_NEEDED for libatomic, but it's a static test
> that fails to link, static libraries not having any such way to
> communicate their dependencies on other libraries.)
>

I think that's a libstdc++ bug, I'll look into it.

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