I agree! Well said... On 11/26/2013 2:10 PM, Randall Morgan wrote: > Ok, I'll give my two cents worth... > > BASIC has gotten a bad wrap and it is now vogue to knock BASIC. The > statement someone made in the article comments, something to the fact that > "Anyone who has been exposed to BASIC cannot be a good programmer" is crap. > BASIC was the first language for many GREAT programmers. In fact, anyone > over 45 probably has some BASIC experience. BASIC was a great go-to (no pun > intended) language for quick jobs that didn't require direct memory access > for many years. > > BASIC was replaced by Pascal and C eventually took over Pascal in > production areas. At first C was considered to difficult to teach new > programmers. But as time marched forward C gained features and (mostly) > instructors began to find ways to convey C's constructs in an way that was > understandable to new programmers. Then Java came along and replaced C as a > learning language. > > The fact is, many people STILL see BASIC as the old BASIC-A or Dartmouth > BASIC or they simply repeat what someone they respect says about the > language. The truth is, until they take the time to actually write several > apps in the newer variants of BASIC, they have no grounds for their > comments. > > My belief is that there is a place for just about any programming language. > I hate FORTRAN but for scientific apps it still holds it own. As archaic as > ADA can be, if I am writing code for the something life depends upon, I'd > still use it. If I want to knock out an app quickly that does not require a > lot of complicated coding then BASIC is as good as it has always been and > then some! > > A smart developer puts many tools in his belt. He learns like a craftsman > that there is a place for each tool in his toolbox. So he'll use some all > the time because they fit his needs and his style, other's he'll rarely use > because they make his job more complex most of the time, or don't fit the > type of jobs he usually does. But when needed, they provide capabilities > that the other tools don't. > > I remember a time when PHP and Python were both considered by many to be > "toy" scripting languages and "real" developers didn't use scripting > languages. A real programmer only used compiled languages. PHP now has a > large hold on the the WEB and Python has grown into it's own and is > becoming a great general purpose language. > > If Gambas did not solve some problem(s) for a class of developer, it > wouldn't exist. Just as Fortran, Prolog, Pascal, and ADA would die if they > didn't solve some issue for the people who use them. Just because one > person or a few people can't see the benefits may only mean they don't work > in an environment that would benefit from that particular language. > > I can count on one hand the number of professional apps I've written with > VB. But that doesn't make VB a bad language (it does have it's > particularities. But, then doesn't every language?). I've written more apps > in Gambas but only because it fits my needs now. I wrote many apps in > GWBASIC, BASIC-A, Forth, Fortran, Prolog, COBOL, and even many in > Assembler. Just as I return to BASIC when that tool fits my task well, I > would return to Assembler (and do) when speed or size is an issue. > > Those who declare BASIC a toy language have failed to grow up with the > language. They should also declare C a dead language and declare Java or > C++ it's successor. But the truth is, C is still preferred over C++ in many > instances. So let the naysayers have their moment to demonstrate their lack > of breath of experience and those of us who know a good thing when we see > it will continue to be productive with what ever tool best fits our task > and style. And, remember, these naysayers are the same guys declaring their > language is the only "real" tool for all problems. They'd use a sledge > hammer to drive a thumbtack in the wall. > > Just my two cents ;-) > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Charlie Reinl <karl.re...@fen-net.de>wrote: > >> Am Dienstag, den 26.11.2013, 17:42 +0100 schrieb Fabien Bodard: >>> The first Unity conf app "MyUnity" was done with Gambas.... but noOne >>> knows because there 're end users :-) >>> >> Salut, >> >> just google 'MyUnity gambas' >> >> >> -- >> Amicalement >> Charlie >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Rapidly troubleshoot problems before they affect your business. 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