----- Original Message ----- 
From: Stephen Straker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>Of course, any and all relations can LOOK hierarchical IF you are
>prepared or intending to see them that way. The question is: are
>they REALLY hierarchical, and THAT requires more than looking.

Isn't it rather silly to expect me to prove what is demonstrated to
you every day is true?

Your personal incredulity is not a valid scientific argument.  Why
 don't you point some society -- or some social primate -- that
  doesn't have hierarchy?

 It seems the burden to disprove our everyday experiences -- and
 the findings of the scientific community --  is on you.

Jay






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