The ecology podcast is a keeper. Thanks Glen
> On Apr 3, 2026, at 22:49, glen <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yeah, it's easy to poke fun. But I tend to agree with Strawson, in general, > that consciousness isn't any kind of mystery ... or at least any more > mysterious than what the physicists are telling us about matter. > > I'm as enthralled by the neuroscience as any standard rube. E.g. > https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-10068-0 and > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.thetransmitter.org%2fsystems-neuroscience%2fdigital-sphinx-raises-questions-about-connectome-models%2f&c=E,1,-lhqA-VGDWXns16XB0VoaIUSr3rsbaK9CFB8AAh2oiVi_WOBCak-oCRgwFqElNFEy0vh5CsounkRhtMqS9Y1lePnQSDAI50dFXutIYl7VOssmV3tNV4sJQ,,&typo=1 > But when I try to draw a line between the *capacities* of different objects > (e.g. metacognition) to encode and react to patterns in their environment, I > fail. All the things we ascribe to the *animated* objects simply seem like > more of the same kinds of things we see in immobile objects. We animals are > merely teleonomic. Consciousness (and sentience, purpose, intention, etc.) > are problems of attribution/naming, convenient classification, not > fundamental in any useful sense. > > As for how you treat your stuff, I'm a fan of the sentiment that if you want > to understand someone's character, watch how they treat service industry > workers like baristas or workers in the drive-thru window. How you treat > *your* objects says more about you than it does about the object. Each "found > object" presents you with a choice of how you treat it, animated or not. It's > your yard, right? Who am I to say you're doing it wrong? >8^D > https://www.youtube.com/@CrimePaysButBotanyDoesnt Private property is a VERY > dangerous hallucination. > > > > On 4/2/26 7:44 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: >> I have an odd behavior which is to get angry with physical objects which >> hurt me or frustrate me. This includes calling them "bad names" which I >> never call humans or animals. Perhaps I should stop this behavior. >> --- >> Frank C. Wimberly >> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >> 505 670-9918 >> Santa Fe, NM >> On Thu, Apr 2, 2026, 7:48 AM glen <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Up until the middle of the 2nd to last paragraph. [sigh] >> >> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fgalenstrawson.substack.com%2fp%2fconsciousness&c=E,1,7P-jiejvFtgfQApyhGQTlE_Qn5-rnyiT4OSt7MfFrAH5fR2J_XiCtz5bFjIZkIauSLlp5myXJl97E2zFWSsbLXXyV_aSqQHHDg1fsw3K2oTwX_E3SEnyNzKZlw,,&typo=1 >> >> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fgalenstrawson.substack.com%2fp%2fconsciousness&c=E,1,Tlxzygs8tOvRqzj1ACT1DZxu-EM8JyZ8ttuGrXhc4Hde2O8TYvCFJWfMk5vvGPTfQvFAkjE3LNdi68SRMUYD9prTH19JTyiATL2GAuykSEbB&typo=1> >> cf also: >> https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fgalenstrawson.substack.com%2fp%2fdavid-hume-was-not-a-humean&c=E,1,YrT7imM_SUo5y9l-ej2oBR1fwx-hEYOPArw76JoVKq6vJlcF1ze0dQWtKTWJj0LTJyEkXMj-lxnpraYdIzC4T8AFv2Xzyx2vul78tapj5iQsjYlnag0BwWwVJA,,&typo=1 >> >> <https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fgalenstrawson.substack.com%2fp%2fdavid-hume-was-not-a-humean&c=E,1,ek2bhNrwDfPTgtzboTG_TfDZBnCDGwWZZn9fuP5d6TTA9mfY_aZtwKA-JhOprWlflQLExdunK4vocUpmzmgUzFXtGn65pP5w5BgerXRrp-_u&typo=1> >> But I'm really into the phrase "terminological slum". I think I'd prefer >> a word other than "slum", though. It feels vaguely classist or something. >> Would anyone who lives in a slum call their neighborhood a "slum"? I guess >> that's kinda my litmus test. If the potential victims _own_ the term, maybe >> it's OK to use it. Having relatives who actually live in swamps, I'm OK with >> the abuse of that term. I also learned the word >> [duff](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_floor >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_floor>) the other day. This is even >> more apt than swamp, I think. Of the parade of thinkers Strawson lists >> (Solms, Levin, Damasio, etc), my guess is they would be amenable to a kind >> of Delphi method for shrinking the terminological hull surrounding >> "consciousness". 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