Hi.
> On Jun 3, 2015, at 3:55 PM, Rugxulo <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Eric Auer <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> How about a FreeDOS Developer Studio?
>
> I don't want to be pessimistic or discourage anyone, but this sounds
> difficult.
>
Not being pessimistic, being realistic.
Realistically speaking, there isn’t much else you can contribute to FreeDOS
unless someone is planning on secretly recreating Central Point tools or Norton
Utilities. Majority of the DOS commands are represented (maybe not well, but
represented) there is a fair amount of what I would consider 3rd party software
like OpenGEM, and such that is deemed open enough to include with FreeDOS.
>> I think SETEDIT comes with some programmer support and
>> there is some DJGPP IDE (RHIDE?) and maybe others.
>
Is there an IDE that’s included with FreeDOS that we can extend to read
compiler messages and such?
> Neither has been maintained (for DOS/DJGPP, at least) in a decade.
> Well, RHIDE is more of a sore spot because it only works with ancient
> GCCs (3.3.6 or such), either being built itself or debugging (RHGDB,
> GDB 6.3?? COFF debug info only, which doesn't work well with newer GCC
> 4.5+).
>
> I'm not saying RHIDE isn't good. Most people used to love it. But it's
> probably not a great idea (anymore) unless you just can't live without
> it. (IIRC, DJGPP GNU Emacs is still built with GCC 3.4.4 due to
> reliance on COFF debug info for unexec.)
>
> Anyways, IIRC, latest semi-official build (1.5c) is here ("No more are
> are planed in near future."):
>
> http://ap1.pp.fi/djgpp/rhide/
>
> BTW, there are newer DJGPP GDB ports, but I'm not sure how (fully)
> well they work. There is still some commotion about them needing some
> fixes. Some also had "--tui" built-in, dunno, never heavily used it in
> recent years. Latest DJGPP GDB port is 7.7.1.
>
>> While I myself do not use free open source IDE for DOS, but do
>> remember that the Turbo C / Turbo Pascal IDE was not bad,
>> I suggest that there could be a discussion in this thread
>> about experiences that people have with existing DOS IDE,
>> in particular the free open source ones :-)
>
> Some DOS editors can easily catch compiler error messages. Of course
> GNU Emacs (24.5) works with DJGPP. But you could also use (much
> smaller) JED, which (IIRC) supported several more error formats (even
> Watcom or Borland). Obviously others might work with DJGPP as well
> (e.g. FED, even TDE has very limited support, VILE might barely work
> too, not sure about VIM but presumably yes).
>
> I don't really use IDEs. Some people love them. Of course, FreePascal
> builds its own TUI IDE in itself (with built-in compiler), so that IDE
> is always included. (Usually also has GDB built-in as well.)
>
>> Regarding the OTHER aspect of your idea - collecting new
>> and classic tools which are nice for developers - I agree
>> that it is good to have all things needed to compile all
>> standard parts of the FreeDOS distro, but for some, there
>> will be license issues in providing downloads. You should
>> just point people to suitable official websites for such
>> things as the "free museum" Borland compiler versions.
>
I wasn’t recommending the Borland stuff for this for that particular reason.
> In other words ... forget "Borland" entirely. IIRC, Embarcadero still
> don't allow redistribution of their ancient DOS compilers. (You could
> email and plead nicely, but don't get your hopes up. And I don't
> honestly know if Jim Hall would want to mirror such things on iBiblio
> anymore.)
>
> It would be better to convert everything like that to OpenWatcom, but
> lots of stuff has been unmaintained for years, so it's unlikely to
> happen. (Some of it isn't really portable and uses old Borland-isms.)
>
>> I do not know what the PC Game Programmer's Encyclopedia
>> license is, but remember that various similar projects
>> exist, so you could include one which is good and does
>> have a free license. And of course include RBIL - Ralf
>> Brown's Interrupt List :-)
>
> ftp://ftp.lanet.lv/pub/programming/mirror-x2ftp/gpe/00index.html
>
>>> It would combine all of the recommended build tools to build the
>>> operating from the source.
>
> This is a lot harder than it sounds. :-/
>
>>> With that being said (theoretically), would it be a good idea?
>>>
>>> OpenWatcom, NASM, FreePascal, what else?
>
> These are already available in FDNPKG format, BTW.
>
> http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.1/repos/devel/
>
Yes they are, but there is no environment setup, a la Visual Studio or Xcode.
Just a bunch of tools and your wits.
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