In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bryan Liesner writes:
>>
>> > Revision 1.20 / (download) - annotate - [select for diffs], Mon Mar 10 23:41:41 
>> > 2003 UTC (5 days, 5 hours ago) by phk
>> > Branch: MAIN
>> > CVS Tags: HEAD
>> > Changes since 1.19: +5 -0 lines
>> > Diff to previous 1.19 (colored)
>> >
>> > If we run out of consumers while orphaning them, and the provider's geom
>> > is withering, destroy the provider when done.
>> >
>> > This was exposed by the recent change to geom_dev's orphaning logic
>>
>> If I reverted it back to a previous version (1.19) then the machine booted OK.
>>
>> BTW, I also found that adding INVARIANTS options into the kernel can prevent this 
>> problem as well.
>>
>> Regards,
>
>I have reverted back to rev 1.19 and all seems to be running OK.  I
>have /dev/null, /dev/stderr, /dev/apm, and /dev/mixer back.
>When the faulty kernel _did_ boot (after about a million retries to
>coax a core dump), these devices were missing at boot, or would
>disappear shortly after.
>
>Thanks.
>I think Poul-Henning will have enough information to go with now...

You guys _way_ overestimate my abilities here.

Right now I have a hard time imagining what geom's eventhandling
for "withering" geoms can possibly have to do with any non-geom
device node being present in /dev or not, and even more so how
INVARIANTS could affect that.

The only influence I can imagine is one of timing...

I don't think I'll stand a chance on this one until I can reproduce it
on one of my machines :-(

One thing I'd like you to try is to remove any trace of USB from your
systems.  USB does some ugly VOP_REVOKES which I am not happy about, and
I would like to exclude them from the list of suspects.

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