On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 10:40:20PM -0500, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 11:29:32PM -0400, Carl Schmidt wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 14, 2002 at 11:43:20AM +0900, Makoto Matsushita wrote:
> > > tlambert2> That's 3.4 hours saved on a 28.8K modem download time,
> > > tlambert2> overall...  a 14% reduction in size.
> > > 
> > > The percentage doesn't matter.  If ISO image is compressed, user who
> > > downloads the image may de-compress that image to burn (I don't know
> > > any about the burner softwares which support compressed ISO image).
> > > What's happen if there is no space to make de-compressed image on a HDD?
> > 
> > I do not follow this.  If the user can not fit a non-compressed image
> > on their drive then they certainly will not be downloading a non-
> > compressed image nor a compressed image hence rendering this whole
> > discussion moot for that user...it seems so to me at least.  Maybe I am
> > not seeing something?
> 
> The temporary space required to do the decompression is what I am 
> assuming is being reference, although I'm not sure how accurate that 
> argument is.

I did a little test to see how that works.  If you gzip a file and
gunzip it and follow the sizes of each file it seems that the file being
de-compressed decreases in size while the new file increases in size.  I
think it is safe to say that gzip does not require temporary space,
except an extra inode for de-compression.  I could be wrong though.

> > Whether we think the size is too large for dial-up or not people will
> > still download it.  And 200MB is absolutely nothing compared to what
> > people put up with for full-size distribution ISOs.  You could argue
> > that not everyone has gzip (I would assume primarily a Windows user).
> > As far as I know there is a DOS version of gzip.  This would be where
> > you might need both types of images (compressed and not compressed),
> > and that is something up to the snapshots people.
> 
> Winzip supports tar and gz, winrar supports bzip2
> 
> > One might argue that Mr. Lambert is simply speculating that anyone has
> > a 28.8k connection anymore.  What are the odds that everyone fits this:
> > 
> > a: they live close enough to a provider to get broadband (see 'b'),
> 
> I did not think distance was a requirement for cable modem, but I do 
> agree with your logic that not everyone has broadband.

The distance argument is probably not relevant.  I remember a long time
ago some person from the UK complaining about having to use ISDN because
NTL did not provide cable at that distance, or something.  I honestly do
not know about that.

>From Qwest:
<<<EOD
Technical Specs for DOCSIS Cable Modem:
[...]
 * Supports round trip distances of up to 200 miles
EOD

Finally, I am sorry that this seems to be completely un-related to the
original topic.  I did not follow it thoroughly.
-- 
Carl Schmidt

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