Daniel C. Sobral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> types:
> Mike Meyer wrote:
> > Rant second: FreeBSD *violates* years of traditions with it's
> > treatment of /usr/local. /usr/local is for *local* things, not add-on
> > software packages! Coopting /usr/local for non-local software creates
> > needless complexity and confusion, which of course leads to needless
> > pain.
> Not for everyone. FreeBSD adopted one of the ways /usr/local was being
> used. You can keep ranting on this and pretending the way above is how
> everyone used /usr/local as long as you want, but the fact is that you
> won't get this changed.

Interesting. What other OS distribution put things that went into
/usr/local on their distribution media? I don't expect to get it
changed until enough people are aware that it's a problem. Occasional
rounds of consciousness-raising are required to make that happen. That
may not happen until the old guard dies of old age; I asume we both
want FreeBSD to be a viable OS that long.

Warner Losh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> types:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mike Meyer writes:
> : Corrections first: The only place where FreeBSD fails to follow FHS
> : (in my quick perusal of it) is in putting packages in /usr/local
> : instead of /opt. You can't blame that part of FHS on Linux - I have as
> : yet to see a Linux distro or package do it that way. No, this bit
> : comes from commercial vendors, where it's also steeped in years of
> : tradition.
> Not as many as you might think.  /usr/local predates /opt by several
> years.

I'm aware that software was installing itself in /usr/local years
before it was installing in /opt. On the other hand, vendor software
was installing in /opt years before I ever saw it install in
/usr/local.

> : Rant second: FreeBSD *violates* years of traditions with it's
> : treatment of /usr/local. /usr/local is for *local* things, not add-on
> : software packages! Coopting /usr/local for non-local software creates
> : needless complexity and confusion, which of course leads to needless
> : pain.
> Ummm, software packages have been make installing into /usr/local
> since at least 1985 when I started building them.  no coopting has
> been done.

If memory serves (and it may not at this remove), /usr/local/bin
wasn't on my path until I started using VAXen, meaning there were few
or no packages installing in /usr/local on v6 & v7 on the 11s.

However, FreeBSD is still the only vendor distribution I know of that
installs software in /usr/local. That's the problem - software that
comes from the vendor doesn't belong in the local administrative
regime.

        <mike


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