On 1/15/25 21:20, Mark Millard wrote:
Dennis Clarke <dclarke_at_blastwave.org> wrote on
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2025 15:16:58 UTC :
Over the past month or so I see endless fails in builds for the big
three user facing window manager things. This means that a simple user
type person can not get a desktop. Really? Yes really. For at least a
month or more you can not build KDE5 nor LXDE nor XFCE desktop. . . .
Here you seem to have leaped from your context's bulk build
problems to most everyone else's bulk builds of similar
software having similar bulk build problems.
I apologize for the rant. Clearly a rant. Pure frustration as I try
to do some testing of the big RELEASE stuff from 13.4 up to 15-CURRENT.
It was a hand waving rant wherein I have seens build failures for weeks
and weeks and it really feels like a hit or miss throw a dart good luck
and spin the wheel maybe you are a winner today situation.
(Since Jan-7 I'm I'm temporarily without access to the FreeBSD
systems that I normally do. Also, I do not normally build those
specific ports. So I do not have evidence about those from my
own activities.)
I have plenty of logs. Piles of them. Perhaps the problem is that I
am building on a 15-CURRENT machine which has poudriere jails like so :
titan# poudriere jails -l
JAILNAME VERSION ARCH METHOD
TIMESTAMP PATH
134amd64 13.4-RELEASE-p2 1304000 3f40d5821eca amd64 git+https
2025-01-10 10:42:08 /poudriere/jails/134amd64
142amd64 14.2-RELEASE 1402000 c8918d6c7412 amd64 git+https
2024-12-03 12:50:29 /poudriere/jails/142amd64
140amd64 14.2-STABLE 1402501 e6de39be80e2 amd64 git+https
2025-01-13 21:36:43 /poudriere/jails/140amd64
150amd64 15.0-CURRENT 1500030 amd64 src=/usr/src
2025-01-12 07:44:29 /poudriere/jails/150amd64
titan#
The one called 140stable is a bit strange given that I built it with the
branch called "releng" for 14 and what I get is 14.2-STABLE. Whatever
that is. I had the silly notion that something called "STABLE" is a good
place to build packages. A stable is where one may keep horses. Maybe
goats. Other than that I really do not know if building packages in that
jail would be of any value compared to the 142amd64 jail. Who knows?
I surely do not.
I tend to kick off something like this :
titan# ls -lApbtr /poudriere/data/packages/
total 60
drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 15 Jan 15 21:40 134amd64-latest/
drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 15 Jan 16 07:20 150amd64-2025Q1/
drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 15 Jan 16 07:23 140amd64-2025Q1/
drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 15 Jan 16 10:15 142amd64-latest/
drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 15 Jan 16 10:36 142amd64-2025Q1/
drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 15 Jan 16 14:00 150amd64-latest/
drwxr-xr-x 3 root wheel 15 Jan 16 14:09 134amd64-2025Q1/
titan#
titan# /usr/bin/time -p idprio 0 poudriere bulk -r -j 140amd64 -p
2025Q1 -f /root/pkg.list
[00:00:00] Creating the reference jail... done
[00:00:00] Mounting system devices for 140amd64-2025Q1
[00:00:01] Stashing existing package repository
[00:00:01] Mounting ccache from: /var/cache/ccache
[00:00:01] Mounting ports from: /poudriere/ports/2025Q1
[00:00:01] Mounting packages from:
/poudriere/data/packages/140amd64-2025Q1
[00:00:01] Mounting distfiles from: /poudriere/distfiles
/etc/resolv.conf ->
/poudriere/data/.m/140amd64-2025Q1/ref/etc/resolv.conf
[00:00:01] Starting jail 140amd64-2025Q1
Updating /var/run/os-release done.
[00:00:01] Will build as nobody:nobody (65534:65534)
[00:00:01] Logs:
/poudriere/data/logs/bulk/140amd64-2025Q1/2025-01-16_14h18m02s
[00:00:01] Loading MOVED for
/poudriere/data/.m/140amd64-2025Q1/ref/usr/ports
[00:00:02] Ports supports: FLAVORS SUBPACKAGES SELECTED_OPTIONS
[00:00:02] Inspecting ports tree for modifications to git checkout... no
[00:00:03] Ports top-level git hash: 1bbe39c25
[00:00:03] Gathering ports metadata
[00:00:08] Calculating ports order and dependencies
[00:00:10] Trimming IGNORED and blacklisted ports
[00:00:10] Sanity checking the repository
[00:00:10] Checking packages for incremental rebuild needs
[00:00:13] Deleting rsync-3.4.0.pkg: new version: 3.4.1
[00:00:14] Deleting mariadb1011-server-10.11.10_1.pkg: missing
dependency: rsync-3.4.0
[00:00:14] Deleting mariadb114-server-11.4.4.pkg: missing dependency:
rsync-3.4.0
[00:00:15] Deleting stale symlinks... done
[00:00:15] Deleting empty directories... done
[00:00:15] Unqueueing existing packages
[00:00:16] Unqueueing orphaned build dependencies
[00:00:16] Sanity checking build queue
[00:00:16] Processing PRIORITY_BOOST
[00:00:16] Balancing pool
[140amd64-2025Q1] [2025-01-16_14h18m02s] [balancing_pool] Queued: 13
Built: 0 Failed: 0 Skipped: 0 Ignored: 0 Fetched: 0 Tobuild: 13 T
ime: 00:00:15
[00:00:16] Recording filesystem state for prepkg... done
[00:00:16] Building 13 packages using up to 13 builders
[00:00:16] Hit CTRL+t at any time to see build progress and stats
[00:00:16] [01] [00:00:00] Builder starting
[00:00:16] [02] [00:00:00] Builder starting
[00:00:16] [01] [00:00:00] Builder started
[00:00:16] [01] [00:00:00] Building x11-toolkits/libwnck3 |
libwnck3-3.36.0_2
[00:00:16] [02] [00:00:00] Builder started
[00:00:16] [02] [00:00:00] Building net/rsync | rsync-3.4.1
[00:00:26] [02] [00:00:10] Finished net/rsync | rsync-3.4.1: Success
[00:00:26] [02] [00:00:00] Building databases/mariadb114-server |
mariadb114-server-11.4.4
[00:00:26] [03] [00:00:00] Builder starting
[00:00:27] [03] [00:00:01] Builder started
[00:00:27] [03] [00:00:00] Building databases/mariadb1011-server |
mariadb1011-server-10.11.10_1
[00:00:36] [01] [00:00:20] Finished x11-toolkits/libwnck3 |
libwnck3-3.36.0_2: Failed: build
[00:00:36] [01] [00:00:20] Skipping x11/libxfce4windowing |
libxfce4windowing-4.20.0: Dependent port x11-toolkits/libwnck3 |
libwnck3-3.36.0 _2 failed
[00:00:36] [01] [00:00:20] Skipping x11-fm/thunar | thunar-4.20.1:
Dependent port x11-toolkits/libwnck3 | libwnck3-3.36.0_2 failed
[00:00:36] [01] [00:00:20] Skipping x11-wm/xfce4 | xfce-4.20: Dependent
port x11-toolkits/libwnck3 | libwnck3-3.36.0_2 failed
[00:00:36] [01] [00:00:20] Skipping x11-wm/xfce4-desktop |
xfce4-desktop-4.20.0: Dependent port x11-toolkits/libwnck3 |
libwnck3-3.36.0_2 fa iled
[00:00:36] [01] [00:00:20] Skipping deskutils/xfce4-notifyd |
xfce4-notifyd-0.9.6_1: Dependent port x11-toolkits/libwnck3 |
libwnck3-3.36.0_ 2 failed
[00:00:36] [01] [00:00:20] Skipping x11-wm/xfce4-panel |
xfce4-panel-4.20.0: Dependent port x11-toolkits/libwnck3 |
libwnck3-3.36.0_2 failed
[00:00:36] [01] [00:00:20] Skipping sysutils/xfce4-power-manager |
xfce4-power-manager-4.20.0: Dependent port x11-toolkits/libwnck3 |
libwnc k3-3.36.0_2 failed
[00:00:36] [01] [00:00:20] Skipping x11-wm/xfce4-session |
xfce4-session-4.20.0: Dependent port x11-toolkits/libwnck3 |
libwnck3-3.36.0_2 fa iled
[00:00:36] [01] [00:00:20] Skipping x11-wm/xfce4-wm | xfce4-wm-4.20.0:
Dependent port x11-toolkits/libwnck3 | libwnck3-3.36.0_2 failed
[00:02:51] [02] [00:02:25] Finished databases/mariadb114-server |
mariadb114-server-11.4.4: Success
[00:02:52] [03] [00:02:25] Finished databases/mariadb1011-server |
mariadb1011-server-10.11.10_1: Success
[00:02:53] Stopping 13 builders
[00:02:54] Creating pkg repository
Creating repository in /tmp/packages: 100%
Packing files for repository: 100%
[00:03:12] Committing packages to repository:
/poudriere/data/packages/140amd64-2025Q1/.real_1737037274 via .latest
symlink
[00:03:12] Removing old packages
[00:03:12] Built ports: net/rsync databases/mariadb114-server
databases/mariadb1011-server
[00:03:12] Failed ports: x11-toolkits/libwnck3:build
[00:03:12] Skipped ports: deskutils/xfce4-notifyd
sysutils/xfce4-power-manager x11-fm/thunar x11-wm/xfce4
x11-wm/xfce4-desktop x11-wm/xfce4- panel
x11-wm/xfce4-session x11-wm/xfce4-wm x11/libxfce4windowing
[140amd64-2025Q1] [2025-01-16_14h18m02s] [committing] Queued: 13 Built:
3 Failed: 1 Skipped: 9 Ignored: 0 Fetched: 0 Tobuild: 0 Time:
00:03:11
[00:03:12] Logs:
/poudriere/data/logs/bulk/140amd64-2025Q1/2025-01-16_14h18m02s
[00:03:12] Cleaning up
[00:03:12] Unmounting file systems
real 192.36
user 518.74
sys 219.50
titan#
Then straight away after that :
titan# /usr/bin/time -p idprio 0 poudriere bulk -r -j 140amd64 -p 2025Q1
-f /root/pkg.list
[00:00:00] Updating portstree "2025Q1" with git+https... done
[00:00:00] Creating the reference jail... done
[00:00:00] Mounting system devices for 140amd64-2025Q1
[00:00:00] Stashing existing package repository
[00:00:00] Mounting ccache from: /var/cache/ccache
[00:00:00] Mounting ports from: /poudriere/ports/2025Q1
[00:00:00] Mounting packages from: /poudriere/data/packages/140amd64-2025Q1
[00:00:00] Mounting distfiles from: /poudriere/distfiles
/etc/resolv.conf -> /poudriere/data/.m/140amd64-2025Q1/ref/etc/resolv.conf
[00:00:00] Starting jail 140amd64-2025Q1
Updating /var/run/os-release done.
[00:00:00] Will build as nobody:nobody (65534:65534)
[00:00:00] Logs:
/poudriere/data/logs/bulk/140amd64-2025Q1/2025-01-17_07h00m48s
[00:00:00] Loading MOVED for
/poudriere/data/.m/140amd64-2025Q1/ref/usr/ports
[00:00:01] Ports supports: FLAVORS SUBPACKAGES SELECTED_OPTIONS
[00:00:01] Inspecting ports tree for modifications to git checkout... no
[00:00:02] Ports top-level git hash: ea08b2ed7
[00:00:02] Gathering ports metadata
[00:00:07] Calculating ports order and dependencies
[00:00:09] Trimming IGNORED and blacklisted ports
[00:00:10] Sanity checking the repository
[00:00:10] Checking packages for incremental rebuild needs
[00:00:13] Deleting stale symlinks... done
[00:00:13] Deleting empty directories... done
[00:00:13] Unqueueing existing packages
[00:00:14] Unqueueing orphaned build dependencies
[00:00:14] Sanity checking build queue
[00:00:14] Processing PRIORITY_BOOST
[00:00:15] Balancing pool
[140amd64-2025Q1] [2025-01-17_07h00m48s] [balancing_pool] Queued: 10
Built: 0 Failed: 0 Skipped: 0 Ignored: 0 Fetched: 0 Tobuild: 10
Time: 00:00:14
[00:00:15] Recording filesystem state for prepkg... done
[00:00:15] Building 10 packages using up to 10 builders
[00:00:15] Hit CTRL+t at any time to see build progress and stats
[00:00:15] [01] [00:00:00] Builder starting
[00:00:15] [01] [00:00:00] Builder started
[00:00:15] [01] [00:00:00] Building x11-toolkits/libwnck3 |
libwnck3-3.36.0_2
[00:00:33] [01] [00:00:18] Finished x11-toolkits/libwnck3 |
libwnck3-3.36.0_2: Failed: build
[00:00:33] [01] [00:00:18] Skipping x11/libxfce4windowing |
libxfce4windowing-4.20.0: Dependent port x11-toolkits/libwnck3 |
libwnck3-3.36.0_2 failed
[00:00:33] [01] [00:00:18] Skipping x11-fm/thunar | thunar-4.20.1:
Dependent port x11-toolkits/libwnck3 | libwnck3-3.36.0_2 failed
[00:00:33] [01] [00:00:18] Skipping x11-wm/xfce4 | xfce-4.20: Dependent
port x11-toolkits/libwnck3 | libwnck3-3.36.0_2 failed
[00:00:33] [01] [00:00:18] Skipping x11-wm/xfce4-desktop |
xfce4-desktop-4.20.0: Dependent port x11-toolkits/libwnck3 |
libwnck3-3.36.0_2 failed
[00:00:33] [01] [00:00:18] Skipping deskutils/xfce4-notifyd |
xfce4-notifyd-0.9.6_1: Dependent port x11-toolkits/libwnck3 |
libwnck3-3.36.0_2 failed
[00:00:33] [01] [00:00:18] Skipping x11-wm/xfce4-panel |
xfce4-panel-4.20.0: Dependent port x11-toolkits/libwnck3 |
libwnck3-3.36.0_2 failed
[00:00:33] [01] [00:00:18] Skipping sysutils/xfce4-power-manager |
xfce4-power-manager-4.20.0: Dependent port x11-toolkits/libwnck3 |
libwnck3-3.36.0_2 failed
[00:00:33] [01] [00:00:18] Skipping x11-wm/xfce4-session |
xfce4-session-4.20.0: Dependent port x11-toolkits/libwnck3 |
libwnck3-3.36.0_2 failed
[00:00:33] [01] [00:00:18] Skipping x11-wm/xfce4-wm | xfce4-wm-4.20.0:
Dependent port x11-toolkits/libwnck3 | libwnck3-3.36.0_2 failed
[00:00:33] Stopping 10 builders
[00:00:33] Creating pkg repository
Creating repository in /tmp/packages: 100%
Packing files for repository: 100%
[00:00:52] Committing packages to repository:
/poudriere/data/packages/140amd64-2025Q1/.real_1737097300 via .latest
symlink
[00:00:52] Removing old packages
[00:00:52] Failed ports: x11-toolkits/libwnck3:build
[00:00:52] Skipped ports: deskutils/xfce4-notifyd
sysutils/xfce4-power-manager x11-fm/thunar x11-wm/xfce4
x11-wm/xfce4-desktop x11-wm/xfce4-panel x11-wm/xfce4-session
x11-wm/xfce4-wm x11/libxfce4windowing
[140amd64-2025Q1] [2025-01-17_07h00m48s] [committing] Queued: 10 Built:
0 Failed: 1 Skipped: 9 Ignored: 0 Fetched: 0 Tobuild: 0 Time:
00:00:51
[00:00:52] Logs:
/poudriere/data/logs/bulk/140amd64-2025Q1/2025-01-17_07h00m48s
[00:00:52] Cleaning up
[00:00:52] Unmounting file systems
real 52.84
user 183.75
sys 123.83
titan#
I see things like that ALL the time. Daily.
. . .
Why do I always see things like this :
Just rhetorical? (See more later.)
Sort of. Yes. I think the specifics are just pine needles on the little
trees in a big big forest. Some are going to be dead and fall away. Some
will need a bit of trimming on some of the trees. That is the nature of
the forest. However I have been looking at poudriere build failures for
weeks. Right, it is the holidays and so I do not expect much and really
should not. I don't.
I've not seen anything presented that might allow someone to help
improve what happens in your context --or even to test if they can
specifically reproduce any of your builds' specific failures, not
even if they can match which ports blocked the potentially more
overall builds.
The note reads more as an expression of furstation than anything
else, no attempt at getting help. Or, maybe, an attempt, in part,
to see how many "me too" responses show up.
I was mostly dipping my toes in the water and waiting for the usual
flames. I have been doing something or other related to software package
stuff for a while now. I am not surprised when things go sideways a bit.
I am, yes, frustrated when building the big three window manager bits
and some database tools falls over. Daily. Weekly.
The note was sent to freebsd-current. I'm not sure if I should
read someting into that or not.
Well, not sure else what/where to do what? I figure a 15.0-CURRENT
machine is what one would need to build with. Certainly for every
reasonable version from 13.4 upwards. Just a guess but I think that
is what would need.
Nothing hints at the platform(s) used vs. not or that fail
vs. not.
Prior to my FreeBSD use stopping on 2025-Jan-7, bulk builds that
I had done worked fine. But it is likely to be a rather different
workload vs. yours.
Yep likely. I have a package list of stuff and it usually rounds out to
a grand whopping 1500+ things. Never more than 1600. Not ever.
Looking at the FreeBD package builders, I do see latest for
main armv7 having:
x11/kde5 being blocked by libfido2-1.15.0
x11-wm/xfce being blocked by vte3-0.70.2_5
x11/xfce4-goodies being blocked by vte3-0.70.2_5
x11/xfce4-terminal being blocked by vte3-0.70.2_5
Well, that is armv7? I am looking at AMD64 on a Xeon machine. More or
less AMD64 or x86_64 depending on whose church we sit in.
But I did not see LXDE being blocked.
I did not see such blocks for amd64 or arm64.
Where I do see all of KDE5, LXDE, and XFCE blocked
is by rust-1.81.0 in:
Funny. I have rust built on RISC-V :
enceladus$ uname -apKU
FreeBSD enceladus 15.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT #2
main-n274434-2e09cef8dc6f: Sun Dec 29 05:26:22 GMT 2024
root@enceladus:/usr/obj/usr/src/riscv.riscv64/sys/SIFIVE-COMPAT11 riscv
riscv64 1500029 1500029
enceladus$
enceladus$ rustc --version
rustc 1.83.0 (90b35a623 2024-11-26) (built from a source tarball)
enceladus$
However that is a wild red herring. Pay no attention to that.
But I've no clue if any of this matches your example
build failures.
I am thankful for the reply. I am curious. Given a hundred users of
FreeBSD the question would be how many build stuff themselves? The
numbers may be shockingly low. I have no idea. I am just guessing.
--
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Dennis Clarke
RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC
UNIX and Linux spoken
