Somehow in the internat merge the kerb4 versions of rshd and rlogind disappeared (rshd -k; rlogind -ek and -k). They are often used for scripting in ways that kerberized telnet can't handle (yes, I can use expect but what a kluge :-), or I could adapt ssh for this and probably will, but that is problematic sometimes; it is harder to keep audit trails than with k4). k5 didn't implement this either at least within the fbsd "make world" context... If fbsd handles suid (not necessarily root) scripts correctly then it isn't too hard to do the wrappers needed. I've not seen whether that is ok or not in any of the normal docs. -- Pete To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message