Gary Jennejohn wrote: > On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 08:52:53 -0700 (PDT) > "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd-...@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 08:34:58AM -0700, John Baldwin wrote: > > > > On 9/22/21 1:36 AM, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > TL;DR: this is not a proposal to deorbit csh from base!!! > > > > > > > > > > For years now, csh is the default root shell for FreeBSD, csh can be > > > > > confusing > > > > > as a default shell for many as all other unix like settled on a > > > > > bourne shell > > > > > compatible interactive shell: zsh, bash, or variant of ksh. > > > > > > > > > > Recently our sh(1) has receive update to make it more user friendly in > > > > > interactive mode: > > > > > * command completion (thanks pstef@) > > > > > * improvement in the emacs mode, to make it behave by default like > > > > > other shells > > > > > * improvement in the vi mode (in particular the vi edit to respect > > > > > $EDITOR) > > > > > * support for history as described by POSIX. > > > > > > > > > > This makes it a usable shell by default, which is why I would like to > > > > > propose to > > > > > make it the default shell for root starting FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE (not > > > > > MFCed) > > > > > > > > > > If no strong arguments has been raised until October 15th, I will > > > > > make this > > > > > proposal happen. > > > > > > > > > > Again just in case: THIS IS NOT A PROPOSAL TO REMOVE CSH FROM BASE! > > > > > > > > I think this is fine. I would also be fine with either removing 'toor' > > > > from the > > > > default password file or just leaving it as-is for POLA. (I would > > > > probably > > > > prefer removing it outright.) > > > > > > HardenedBSD recently removed toor. No one has complained (yet?). A > > > small Twitter poll[0] showed that 85% of people who responded do not > > > use toor. > > > > A truely disastisified customer does not complain, they simply > > go some place else for there products. Be carefull in what you > > believe silence to be saying. > > > > I use toor on every FreeBSD machine as the root login using bash. > I never log in as root.
Toor has been an occasional lifeline during re-build dissters. Need root & toor to have different executables, & home directories & passwords, & no environment vars on one etc. > But removing it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. I'd just put it > back into /etc/passwd. Ditto. `One Best Tool' debates can consume time. Best keep time for other things, ( eg I've an interesting regression to chase: 12.2-RELEASE OK, but 12.2-STABLE & 13.0-RELEASE Generic kernels panic on boot & wont produce a /var/crash/vmcore.2 & won't drop into DDB ). Cheers, -- Julian Stacey http://berklix.com/jhs/ http://stolenvotes.uk
