On Fri, Apr 14, 2000 at 05:21:24PM -0500, Joe Greco wrote:
> Remove Sendmail from the base system - or, at least, make it a "package"
> that is removable with the package management tool. Then be able to add
> another mailer (or an updated Sendmail) in its place. Ideally, Sendmail
> would be available as a package for installation as part of the base
> system, just like games or info or proflibs.
Sounds all basically like a good idea to have different choices
for a MTA.
But I don't like _basic_ system functionalities to be out sourced
completely to ports.
Two examples:
If I give people a FreeBSD-STABLE snapshot CD, I'd like to give
them a complete Unix, and for me a MTA belongs to a basic package.
If I want to do a complete upgrade of all of my system ports,
because I come to the conclusion
- I installed to much experimental crap and don't get it
sorted out manually
- or I want to upgrade everything to the latest and greatest
I don't want to kill my MTA (sendmail) by performing a rm -rf /usr/local/*
action.
FreeBSD - as is - has all the basic system functionality in the
base system and I wouldn't like to have a "neutral" "castrated"
Unix just for the sake, that you can start later to customize
things like sendmail and maybe other things
> I would love to see this happen with other components of the system as
> well, such as BIND.
definitively not. I hate the Linux way to have a puzzle system.
Could we please still agree on a base system that is complete,
so that SNAP CD's still represent a complete BSD without having
to create additional ports ???
Again FreeBSD != Linux.
> While it is fantastic that FreeBSD comes out of the box so fully
> functional, it does make it a bit of a pain for those of us who intend
> to build servers - we have to disable the original before installing a
> new package. :-/
Well ... for that purpose I'd vote for the following:
a) make more
NO_XXXX (sendmail, bind, whatever)
knobs in /etc/make.conf as needed
b) make the Makefiles in the install target more complete by
removing (old) occurrencies of sendmail, bind, if such a
NO_XXX knob has been set.
Then you get such an ISP server as you like after a make world
session
c) Split FreeBSD packaging any further (bin, man, doc, compat,...)
Add something like a package internet (sendmail, bind, ...)
Then you can install a sendmail, DNS free system as you like.
But I wouldn't for a generally castrated BSD.
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