If you think this is bad, wait until you won't be able to buy anything from outside Australia *without VPN*
http://www.zdnet.com/article/ato-fails-to-rule-out-website-blocking-to-enforce-online-gst-collection On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 11:02 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Although I agree that being rejected service due to VPN usage is both sad > and problematic, they are probably correct that more fraud happens via > VPNs. It is the same with TOR. Although there are a multitude of reasons > for regular citizens to use TOR or VPNs to protect their privacy, it is > also true that these technologies make it safer for people to conduct > criminal activity. > > To me, the situation we are in as users-of-VPNs-for-privacy-reasons is > similar to that of an insurance company telling me that when I was a 25yo > male, my car insurance was much more expensive. I could talk to them as > much as I want about my personal driving record, or about other aspects of > my demographic which would indicate I may be a safe driver. In the end, I > believe them when they have the aggregate statistics to say that _on > average_ 25yo males are worse than most other drivers. > > Unfortunately I don't think that the banking institution is doing anything > unreasonable _from the perspective of a business trying to maximize > profit_, even though it is unreasonable from a privacy/ethical perspective. > > I hope that as more people move onto VPNs and TOR, that the loss of > business from excluding those users outnumbers the loss in money from > fraudulent transactions. Then it becomes good business to allow VPN and TOR > users to access financial services. > > On 2017-04-21 10:29, Ben Finney wrote: > >> Brian May <[email protected]> >> writes: >> >> Part of the problem here is how poor the security is on Internet >>> credit card transactions. All you have to do is place a transaction, >>> and after the goods have been shipped dispute it with the credit card >>> company (I lost my card!). Then the retailer has to try and prove that >>> the transaction was genuine (they can't). >>> >> >> Agreed. What concerns me is the *additional* implied claim: that >> connections over a VPN will be so much more difficult to authenticate, >> that the “financial partner” must exclude them. >> >> I am not sure if there is any truth in the claim that VPNs attract >>> fraudulent credit card. Just as easy to get away with credit card >>> fraud without a VPN I think. >>> >> >> I agree, and that was the position I pressed: that this was needlessly >> discriminatory to people using a VPN connection, and that the >> justification of “maybe fraud” does not justify that specific >> discrimination. >> >> I'm open to evidence that does support that claim. My knowledge, of how >> credit cards fraud varies in different scenarios, is quite lacking. >> > _______________________________________________ > Free-software-melb mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.softwarefreedom.com.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo > /free-software-melb > > > Free Software Melbourne home page: http://www.freesoftware.asn.au/melb/ > _______________________________________________ Free-software-melb mailing list [email protected] http://lists.softwarefreedom.com.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/free-software-melb Free Software Melbourne home page: http://www.freesoftware.asn.au/melb/
