My second hand ATI is serving me well, very nice support in fedora. Radeon
HD 3870, hooked up to 2 24" monitors, runs nicely even though it's quite
old. Not sure I'd want to support nvidia...

Bianca - on my phone, please excuse my brevity
On Aug 25, 2012 4:32 PM, "Ben Sturmfels" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Adam Bolte <[email protected]> writes:
>
> > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 07:50:00PM +1000, Ben Sturmfels wrote:
> >> I see they've already raised $8M in pre-sales though, so perhaps
> >> there are other free software organisations that would benefit more
> >> from a donation right now. I'm thinking instead of buying a video
> >> card from Think Penguin [3].
> >>
> >> [3]
> https://www.thinkpenguin.com/gnu-linux/geforce-9500gt-1gb-pci-express-20-video-card-gnulinux
> >
> > I just noticed... it's an Nvidia card you are talking about. This gives
> me
> > mixed feelings. Sure supporting free software drivers and stores that
> find
> > such hardware is great, but supporting Nvidia?  <shudder>
> >
> > I'm assuming it's still the case that Intel drivers are 100% free
> software for
> > at least some of their newer cards, although obviously the performance
> won't
> > be the same.
> >
> > AMD makes cards that have excellent free software drivers, and (unlike
> Nvidia)
> > they release the specs... however most modern AMD cards rely on non-free
> > firmware - firmware that isn't built into the device's ROM, but instead
> needs
> > to be loaded by the driver during initialisation.
> >
> > Even so, it seems to me that AMD is doing far better at helping the free
> > software driver communities than Nvidia ever has. I have a Radeon HD 5870
> > (which I purchased with Bitcoin) with 6 LCDs hooked up to it at work,
> running
> > the free software drivers. The performance is great. I can play OpenArea
> with
> > max detail at 7680x1024, 60fps (I use v-sync or it would likely be much
> > higher). There are some FoV issues in doing that I haven't completely
> > resolved, but it's quite impressive to see.
> >
> > Note: It appears that newer Nvidia cards also require proprietary
> firmware,
> > until free software drivers are reverse-engineered.
> > http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/InstallDRM#Firmware
> >
> > I would like to put more pressure on AMD to release the code for their
> > firmware though, or at least see as much effort put forward to develop
> free
> > firmware for AMD cards as we have seen from the Nvidia
> reverse-engineering
> > guys.
>
> Thanks for pointing this out. Yes, it's certainly an imperfect choice.
> Buying one of these Nvidia cards support Think Penguin, a new vendor who
> sells hardware compatible with fully-free software. On the other hand, it
> results in some profits for Nvidia, who are extremely unfriendly to free
> software.
>
> Choosing an AMD card means I'm giving some profits to AMD, who offer
> dramatically better support for free software. On the other hand though,
> I'd be required to use proprietary firmware.
>
> In terms of my personal freedom today, the Nvidia card would be the best
> choice. For encouraging free software-compatible hardware in the longer
> term though, I don't know that there's a clear answer.
>
> Ben
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