You all are amazing - thank you so much for the wisdom and suggestions!! Very excited to continue exploring this, and do let me know if you can think of anything else <3
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(Scott Dorsey) > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: eliza levinson <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 13:25:05 +0100 > Subject: [Frameworks] Vinegar syndrome? > Hi, dear Frameworks friends ~ > > I'm lucky enough to know some of you personally (hi, Microscope! hi, > EPFC!), but in case I don't, I'm a Berlin-based artist and writer with a > big love for analog film. I'm working on a series (both visual and > text-based) for a zine this January where the theme is "vinegar," so, > naturally, I'm writing about vinegar syndrome. The piece will combine > around 500 words on the subject with 6-8 hi-res images of some nice > deteriorating film. > > I'm writing to ask: > • does anyone have digitized films available online which demonstrate > vinegar syndrome, which you might be interested in contributing to being > featured in this piece in the form of stills? You will be credited! > > • does anyone have thoughts or feelings about vinegar syndrome they might > want to share, that could be included in the piece? > > Thanks so much! Have a nice day, > Eliza > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Steven <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 07:34:48 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Vinegar syndrome? > You might want to try to contact the National film archives - in the US, > not sure if that is the correct term or title of the agency. I remember > seeing a presentation many years ago where they had a film that had been > irreparably damaged by Vinegar syndrome, so every so often then would make > a print of it in its current condition, to watch the deterioration > progress. It was quite fascinating. > > > On 12/17/19 7:25 AM, eliza levinson wrote: > > Hi, dear Frameworks friends ~ > > I'm lucky enough to know some of you personally (hi, Microscope! hi, > EPFC!), but in case I don't, I'm a Berlin-based artist and writer with a > big love for analog film. I'm working on a series (both visual and > text-based) for a zine this January where the theme is "vinegar," so, > naturally, I'm writing about vinegar syndrome. The piece will combine > around 500 words on the subject with 6-8 hi-res images of some nice > deteriorating film. > > I'm writing to ask: > • does anyone have digitized films available online which demonstrate > vinegar syndrome, which you might be interested in contributing to being > featured in this piece in the form of stills? You will be credited! > > • does anyone have thoughts or feelings about vinegar syndrome they might > want to share, that could be included in the piece? > > Thanks so much! Have a nice day, > Eliza > > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing > [email protected]https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > -- > Steven Gladstone > New York Based Filmmaker > 917-886-5858http://www.gladstonefilms.comhttp://roadtodad.blogspot.com/http://indiekicker.reelgrok.com/http://www.blakehousemovie.comhttp://www.hellion.gladstonefilms.com > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: <[email protected]> > To: "'Experimental Film Discussion List'" <[email protected]> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 14:08:40 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Vinegar syndrome? > > Ask Helmut Herbst. > > > > Regards > > Hannes > > > > *Von:* FrameWorks <[email protected]> *Im Auftrag > von *Steven > *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 17. Dezember 2019 13:35 > *An:* [email protected] > *Betreff:* Re: [Frameworks] Vinegar syndrome? > > > > You might want to try to contact the National film archives - in the US, > not sure if that is the correct term or title of the agency. I remember > seeing a presentation many years ago where they had a film that had been > irreparably damaged by Vinegar syndrome, so every so often then would make > a print of it in its current condition, to watch the deterioration > progress. It was quite fascinating. > > > > > > On 12/17/19 7:25 AM, eliza levinson wrote: > > Hi, dear Frameworks friends ~ > > > > I'm lucky enough to know some of you personally (hi, Microscope! hi, > EPFC!), but in case I don't, I'm a Berlin-based artist and writer with a > big love for analog film. I'm working on a series (both visual and > text-based) for a zine this January where the theme is "vinegar," so, > naturally, I'm writing about vinegar syndrome. The piece will combine > around 500 words on the subject with 6-8 hi-res images of some nice > deteriorating film. > > > > I'm writing to ask: > > • does anyone have digitized films available online which demonstrate > vinegar syndrome, which you might be interested in contributing to being > featured in this piece in the form of stills? You will be credited! > > > > • does anyone have thoughts or feelings about vinegar syndrome they might > want to share, that could be included in the piece? > > > > Thanks so much! Have a nice day, > > Eliza > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > FrameWorks mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > > -- > > Steven Gladstone > > New York Based Filmmaker > > 917-886-5858 > > http://www.gladstonefilms.com > > http://roadtodad.blogspot.com/ > > http://indiekicker.reelgrok.com/ > > http://www.blakehousemovie.com > > http://www.hellion.gladstonefilms.com > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Dennis Doros <[email protected]> > To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 11:06:52 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Vinegar syndrome? > Dear Eliza, > > If you don't find any help here, you can try the Association of Moving > Image Archivists <https://amianet.org/engage/amia-l-listserv/>' listserv. > There's also this website: > http://www.triggertone.com/term/Vinegar_Syndrome and most importantly, > the Image Permanence Institute in Rochester, NY. Their contact information > is here: https://imagepermanenceinstitute.org/contact.html and they are > among the leading experts in the field. > > Fondest regards, > Dennis Doros > *Milestone Film & Video • *PO Box 128 • Harrington Park, NJ 07640 > Phone: +1 (201) 767-3117 • Email: [email protected] • www.milestone.film > > President, *Association of Moving Image Archivists* > [email protected] • www.amianet.org > *AMIA 2020 • **30th Anniversary! **• 11/11–14 • El Paso, TX* > > Pronouns: He, Him, His > > JOIN MILESTONE'S MAILING LIST TODAY! > <http://milestonefilms.us3.list-manage1.com/subscribe/post?u=4a0b9e434a9f3e8603c29806e&id=f30d1906e2> > Support us on Facebook > <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Milestone-Film/22348485426> and Twitter > <https://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms>! > > > > > > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 8:09 AM <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Ask Helmut Herbst. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Hannes >> >> >> >> *Von:* FrameWorks <[email protected]> *Im Auftrag >> von *Steven >> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 17. Dezember 2019 13:35 >> *An:* [email protected] >> *Betreff:* Re: [Frameworks] Vinegar syndrome? >> >> >> >> You might want to try to contact the National film archives - in the US, >> not sure if that is the correct term or title of the agency. I remember >> seeing a presentation many years ago where they had a film that had been >> irreparably damaged by Vinegar syndrome, so every so often then would make >> a print of it in its current condition, to watch the deterioration >> progress. It was quite fascinating. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 12/17/19 7:25 AM, eliza levinson wrote: >> >> Hi, dear Frameworks friends ~ >> >> >> >> I'm lucky enough to know some of you personally (hi, Microscope! hi, >> EPFC!), but in case I don't, I'm a Berlin-based artist and writer with a >> big love for analog film. I'm working on a series (both visual and >> text-based) for a zine this January where the theme is "vinegar," so, >> naturally, I'm writing about vinegar syndrome. The piece will combine >> around 500 words on the subject with 6-8 hi-res images of some nice >> deteriorating film. >> >> >> >> I'm writing to ask: >> >> • does anyone have digitized films available online which demonstrate >> vinegar syndrome, which you might be interested in contributing to being >> featured in this piece in the form of stills? You will be credited! >> >> >> >> • does anyone have thoughts or feelings about vinegar syndrome they might >> want to share, that could be included in the piece? >> >> >> >> Thanks so much! Have a nice day, >> >> Eliza >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> FrameWorks mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Steven Gladstone >> >> New York Based Filmmaker >> >> 917-886-5858 >> >> http://www.gladstonefilms.com >> >> http://roadtodad.blogspot.com/ >> >> http://indiekicker.reelgrok.com/ >> >> http://www.blakehousemovie.com >> >> http://www.hellion.gladstonefilms.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Ed Inman <[email protected]> > To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 12:31:45 -0600 (GMT-06:00) > Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Vinegar syndrome? > My only (admittedly unscientific) observation is that VS is very > unpredictable. Sometimes a film will smell of vinegar for years or even > decades and not warp a bit. Other times it's almost here today, gone > tomorrow (which is to say the decay happens very rapidly). Still other > times only a portion, say a few hundred feet, of a film will get VS and the > rest will be fine. Sometimes you'll dig a film out of an attic or barn and > it will be fine while others stored in climate controlled conditions will > be unplayable. > Certainly good storage practices are important, but I also think VS also > has much to do with how the film was originally manufactured and > processed--conditions generally beyond the control of a film collector or > archivist. > All I know for sure is that it's very frustrating to see a film you love > go bad. > Ed > > -----Original Message----- > From: eliza levinson > Sent: Dec 17, 2019 6:25 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Frameworks] Vinegar syndrome? > > Hi, dear Frameworks friends ~ > > I'm lucky enough to know some of you personally (hi, Microscope! hi, > EPFC!), but in case I don't, I'm a Berlin-based artist and writer with a > big love for analog film. I'm working on a series (both visual and > text-based) for a zine this January where the theme is "vinegar," so, > naturally, I'm writing about vinegar syndrome. The piece will combine > around 500 words on the subject with 6-8 hi-res images of some nice > deteriorating film. > > I'm writing to ask: > • does anyone have digitized films available online which demonstrate > vinegar syndrome, which you might be interested in contributing to being > featured in this piece in the form of stills? You will be credited! > > • does anyone have thoughts or feelings about vinegar syndrome they might > want to share, that could be included in the piece? > > Thanks so much! Have a nice day, > Eliza > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Scott Dorsey <[email protected]> > To: [email protected], [email protected] > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 13:42:21 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Vinegar syndrome? > Vinegar syndrome is caused by a reaction involving triphenyl phosphate > which > was used as a plasticizer for some triacetate films. Films that used other > plasticizers don't ever go vinegar. Films that used a plasticizer mixture > including TPP sometimes go vinegar and sometimes don't. Films of the same > kind from different batches may have slightly different base materials. > > Very early safety films made with diacetate bases have no plasticizer and > aren't subject to vinegar syndrome at all. > > Iron oxide catalyzes the reaction, so film on old rusty steel reels is much > more prone to vinegar syndrome. If you can use archive reels and cans, by > all means do so, but if you can't, at least use plastic or aluminum reels. > This also is the case for magstripes and fullcoat... the iron oxide coating > appears to make them much more prone to vinegar. > > The chemistry isn't really a mystery, but the exact base formulation of > some > older films is. > --scott > > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >
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