Sonya stated "I'm especially interested in films from the last 25-30 years.² These suggestions are from the late 60s and early 70s. Has there really been nothing that fits the bill made in the USA since 1990? And outside the USA? There are many many films where the filmmaker is visible. Almost every Werner Herzog film, for example. The group activity with the filmmaker as participant is the challenging part.
Sonya, does something like ³The Act of Killing² (Joshua Oppenheimer) fit the bill? The enacted scenes of the genocidaires fantasy films were organized by the filmmakers. They are a sort of group activity, and the filmmakers are an active participant. There is some direct address to Joshua later in the film, but I don¹t recall whether any filmmakers are visible in those enacted scenes. Or how about groups like bands, teams, or such where one member is making the film. Does Dave Grohl¹s ³Sound City² count? Other band docs directed by members? (isn¹t there on by the Beastie Boys?) I think overall you are more likely to find such films not in the USA, where the individual still reigns supreme and filmmakers in standard docs are still supposed to be watchers and not participants. ³Experimental² docs often have a filmmaker participant, but the group activity element is tough. I know of a couple of films that live more in the art world than the doc world that look at group therapy, have staged scenes, and so forth. But those are also tough due to doctor-patient privilege, so there may be no scenes of the ³ actual² group therapy session. The filmmakers aren¹t patients in therapy; they do set up the staged scenes though with the patients in the group, and thus participate in that sense. Does that interest you? How about ³The Cove²? Wasn¹t the filmmaker working with the people doing the action against dolphin hunters? Or am I misremembering? Does the filmmaker have to be a camera person? There are plenty of sports films, like ski stunt films, where the camera people are the skiers, for example, but are they the filmmakers? Or is a filmmaker only someone who directs and edits? Are there films that anyone can think of, perhaps, with a class in a school, and the teacher is making the film? Best regards, Adam From: FrameWorks <[email protected]> on behalf of Christian Bruno <[email protected]> Reply-To: "Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]>" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 12:52 PM To: "Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]>" <[email protected]>, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Documentaries within/with a group subject and participatory filmmaker(s) I'm guessing William Greaves' Symbiopsychotaxiplasm, Take One would be an excellent example. best Christian From: FrameWorks <[email protected]> on behalf of Scott MacDonald <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2018 11:58 AM To: Experimental Film Discussion List; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Documentaries within/with a group subject and participatory filmmaker(s) Peter Watkins: Punishment Park (1970) and really most all of Watkins' work. Scott On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 1:22 PM, Sonya Mladenova <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Looking for documentary films shot with/within a group of people engaged in an > activity or some kind of project, independently or in an organized > environment,in which the filmmaker is a visible and/or an active participatory > presence. I'm especially interested in films from the last 25-30 years. I'm > investigating the relationship between the filmed person(s) and the person(s) > filming, whatever the configuration. > > Somes examples, but not limited in scope: > Starless Dreams by Mehrdad Oskouei > À ciel ouvert by Mariana Otero > La moindre des choses by Nicolas Philibert > > Many many thanks, > > Sonya
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