On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 10:08:37AM EDT, Jonas Fonseca wrote: > cga2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote Sun, Jun 04, 2006: > > On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 12:42:14PM EDT, Jonas Fonseca wrote: > > > cga2000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote Sat, Jun 03, 2006: > > > > I'm somewhat sceptical about rgb distance calculators, though. There > > must be times when - with three dimensions.. there are two different > > choices.. or more.. and with human perception being what it is I am not > > convinced that even when there is just one mathematically correct choice > > it would be the natural choice that your average human would pick.. > > Well, zas and me discussed creating a more complex system for > configuring the "color model" (see doc/color-model.txt) but it never got > further than the above document and frankly I am not sure if it is worth > it. I think the color picker does an OK job, but maybe my color > blindness is just playing tricks with me. > In the context of elinks, probably not. I have a feeling this has more its place at a lower level - the desktop, maybe?
I'm not really convinced 256 colors was such a good idea to begin with. Naturally, it's orders of magnitude better than the 8/8 or even 8/16 on regular terms.. But why not go the whole hog and have a terminal that supports what the video card is capable of? 16-bit - 64k colors would probably have been a sensible choice and made life easier for everybody? Only one extra byte per cell.. > > I can't spend as much time tinkering with elinks now as I would have > > liked so I'll probably live with it. > > Ok, but if you feel like modding up your ELinks you should really try > the Spidermonkey Javascript scripting backend created by Miciah. It's > fairly easy to get working on a debian system Really? I was never able to get xterm, gnu/scren, and elinks.. to build from source - the debian way, I mean.. I was in a rush and it seemed I had to become a debian packaging expert before I could hope to get that to work.. So now I have a bunch of stuff that's all /.configure'd and compiled from source. Annoying. This said, I'm very curious of the Javascript capabilities and I would really like to see the difference it makes. I do run into pages where I am stuck and I have to fire up mozilla and I suspect that not having Javascript enabled is part of my problem. > and it is currently one of > the most developed scripting backends for ELinks. Examples are in > contrib/smjs/. > > > But why does the absence of the > > bgcolor attribute have different effects in elinks and graphical > > browsers such as mozilla? > > Because the default background color in mozilla is white, where as you > said you have configured your default background color to be black or > something. > > > > Yes, the many config options is one of ELinks' biggest asset (and > > > weakness ;-). > > > > I really don't see it as a weakness at all. It's just that elinks - a > > bit like mutt - is really meant for people who know what they are doing. > > If like myself you know next to nothing about web stuff you should have > > the intelligence to accept it and live with some minor annoyances until > > you have the time to investigate further. > > Having a sane default configuration is very important. The many options > is a weakness if you end up scaring new users away. If they feel they > have to know of all the little details. > That's pretty much what I meant. But as a new user I only noticed all the options when I took a look at the elinks.conf file. But then I was in so much of a rush that I did not really look at the o - "Option Manager" until recently.. Actually what I missed - again as a new user - was more samples of elinks "in action".. I did find a few screenshots but I would have liked to see more. Now, the reason I say this is that for a new user and for something such as elinks that has the potential to display such a wide variety of documents.. I was never sure I was configured correctly and seeing what you or the other seasoned users of elinks are seeing. This nagging feeling that I may not be making the most of the product. For instance, until you told me this thing about setting my foreground and background to "black" I was seeing lots of pages revert to my xterm's black background. Now practically everything is rendered with a white/light background.. I don't know if this makes sense.. But my point is that being the only elinks user in my neighborhood .. as far as I know .. it was not likely one of the seasoned users I mentioned would have stopped by.. and said.. wait a minute.. this isn't right.. looked at my setup and fixed a couple of things. And conversely I could not walk up to someone's desk looked over his shoulder for a couple minutes and said.. wait a minute.. his elinks looks a lot better than mine.. iow, I was totally in the dark as to how an optimal setup of elinks should behave in real-life situations. May still be, for that matter.. I don't know if it's realistic/possible but it might be a good idea to have elinks "test pages" .. you go to the test page and if you're set up right you should see this.. and a link to a screenshot. Confessions of the isolated noob.. not sure that's very useful. :-) > > As far as user satisfaction > > goes I would have given mozilla six out of ten.. At this point in time, > > I would give elinks 7.5.. and apart from changing a few keyboard actions > > I haven't really done anything to customize it. But it's nice to know > > that just about anything I may need to customize *is* customizable. > > Now you are just being nice. ;) No, I'm dead serious: 1. I'm on a bb connection that performs quite well for stuff like iso images downloads etc. Most pages in mozilla take some five to twenty seconds to render.. Twenty seconds..! I mean that's pretty much a worse case scenario but it adds up to ten minutes' wait doing nothing to access a mere thirty web pages.. If like me you google a lot for tech info and try a number of links before you find something that looks half useful that's clearly unacceptable. 2. Now that I have aligned my basic navigation keyboard actions to vim's - j,k to scroll .. h,l to go back and forward.. and J,K to jump to the next/previous link I'm having the most comfortable surfing experience ever.. And once I had figured how to use the "Keybinding Manager" it only took a couple of intuitive minutes to set my bindings *interactively*.. Try to do that in mozilla. 3. Because elinks is a text-mode browser I don't have to put up with all the distractions.. click here and there to block all this commercial shockflash stuff .. with mozilla it usually takes a minute or more before I have enough peace and quiet and then I am able to (re)focus and actually start reading. With elinks, I can choose to display a picture when I want/need it. Freedom, you know.. Come to think of it.. I got my math wrong.. if each of the above is worth only one extra point I should have rated mozilla 4.5 and elinks 7.5/10.. :-) Thanks, cga _______________________________________________ elinks-users mailing list [email protected] http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/elinks-users
