On Jan 13, 2006, at 9:44 PM, Sandy W5TVW wrote:

Biggest violation of all is when someone calls CQ, another station just answers "W1ABC W1ABC K". Who is he calling? I usually respond by sending: "QRZ? QRZ? DE W5TVW K".
Often the other station will simply send
"W1ABC W1ABC K" If the band is crowded, which it often is, this had NOT told me he is calling me! We have not yet established communication so
the "DE W1ABC" or "W1ABC" IS NOT proper or polite procedure.

Back in the day when most hams used crystal controlled transmitters, and would tune 10-25 kHz either side of their CQ looking for answers, the practice of answering a CQ with W5TVW W5TVW W5TVW DE AA4LR AA4LR AA4LR AR made sense.

However, these days, operating zero-beat on a single frequency, the long call is just a waste of time. You call CQ DE W5TVW K. I'll answer AA4LR on the same frequency. Where's the confusion?

In contest operation, we'll dispense with the DE and K altogether. Millions of contest CW contacts are made this way each year, without sending both calls.

Add to this the "Novice accent" heard STILL today "NNQ NNQ NNQ NNQ NNQ
DE W1ABC W1ABC.." repeated several times.  Then a 5 second
pause for an answer, followed by the same long CQ call again!

The old "Novice Accent" advice was to do 3x3x3 - CQ CQ CQ DE W1ABC W1ABC W1ABC repeated three times. Again, that was with a lot of guys still rock-bound. These days, a single 3x3 with a few seconds of listening seems more appropriate.

  One chap on 40
a few nights ago repeated this for maybe 5-6 times. I couldn't stand it any longer and fired up the 1/2 Kw and called him. He acted as if I was never there.
Either deaf or has his receiver somewhere besides his frequency.

I remember a moment from 30 years ago -- hearing a guy at 5 wpm send 57 CQs in a row before I got tired and moved on. Never knew if he ever signed....
Are ham license classes teaching proper procedures anymore?

What we need is something like the "Novice Accent" brochure, but updated for modern procedures.


Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL        Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!"
            -- Wilbur Wright, 1901

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